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Blackstone

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Continued from post #2940

Divine the Future: China’s George Washington

China again supported the West during World War II, fighting alongside American and British forces in Burma trying to secure the Stilwell Road—a major logistical route to Kunming in Yunnan province. During the War, Chinese forces pinned down approximately 600,000 Japanese troops, preventing them from being deployed to other combat areas in Asia. This war was won, however, in the midst of an internecine Chinese conflict between the Communists and the Nationalists (Kuomintang, KMT).

One person who bore witness to the calamities of the two World Wars—and whose political philosophy was deeply shaped by them—was Mao Zedong, the founding father of the People’s Republic of China (PRC). In his youth, Mao had been captivated with George Washington as well as his revolutionary zeal. And Mao believed that if Washington could defeat the British and begin building-up America, so too, could China free itself from its colonial yokes and develop to become a powerful nation, explained
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in his article, “The Most Respected Enemy: Mao Zedong’s Perception of the United States,” in The China Quarterly.

Like other Chinese, Mao had found inspiration in Wilson and placed his hopes on the United States, Pomfret writes. But these hopes were never to be realized. Not only were China’s hopes dashed after Versailles, but the U.S. then threw their support behind General Chiang Kai-Shek and his Kuomintang nationalists after World War II. Mao would later declare that “We made mistakes during the previous period….it was the first time for us to deal with the U.S. imperialists. We didn’t have much experience. As a result we were taken in. With this experience, we won’t be cheated again,” according to He.

Throughout the 1950s and 1960s, Sino-U.S. rapprochement suffered numerous setbacks, not the least of which was the Korean War (1950-53), Quemoy/Matsu crises (1954-55 and 1958), and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles’ reiteration of three standing principles: that the U.S. would not recognize the PRC, would not admit China to the UN, and would not lift its trade embargo.

Commercial Intercourse: Other Means to Divine the Future

Since its recognition by the UN in 1971, its opening-up in 1979, and its membership in the World Trade Organization in 2001, U.S-China bilateral relations, especially in trade and investment, have lifted millions from abject poverty. But with such a significant deficit in trust currently, this relationship has not only remained strained, but has become increasingly complex as well.

Sino-U.S. relations have certainly had their moments during President Barack Obama’s administration, but for the most part it has been one of steadily navigating the contours of this complex relationship. One might have called this relationship a controlled and predictable tension.

In President Donald Trump’s administration, however, it is not entirely clear that American diplomacy at Foggy Bottom has a significant cadre of old China hands with the historical and surgical skills to balance the “America First” policy with the necessary negotiation required to deal with China. Indeed, one might ask if the State Department currently even has a
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to play under Secretary Rex Tillerson.

Mindful of Destiny: Getting It Right With Might

If there is any doubt as to the impact the May Fourth Movement, as well as its part in the overall Century of Humiliation, the celebration of the ninety-fifth anniversary of the Movement in 2014 should put that to rest. Speaking at Peking University, President Xi Jinping
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that “young people’s values determine the values of the future society, and more efforts should be made to ensure young people’s cultivation of sound [Confucian] value systems, which are still in the formation stage.” Drawing a direct connection between the May Fourth Movement and China’s current position on the world’s stage, Xi said that is “just like buttoning a coat. If the first button is done wrong, all others will be buttoned wrong.” Mao had
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in 1939 that “the May Fourth Movement marked a new stage in China’s bourgeois-democratic revolution against imperialism and feudalism.”

American policymakers need to recognize that it can no longer take a paternalistic and exploitive approach to China as it has throughout history. They also need to recognize the implicit opportunity cost in national security decision-making. This was best put by President Trump’s Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who had
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, “If you don’t fully fund the State Department, then I need to buy more ammunition ultimately.” As goes the famous saying, “not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted” (often attributed to Albert Einstein), more military expenditures may have an immediate, tangible and quantitative appeal, but it is doubtful that all of the issues dealing with China as well as Asia at large can simply be solved by the threat or use of force.

Nonetheless, when policymakers decide to deal with China, they should remember that Mao’s experience cast a long shadow over China’s history. His admiration for America in his youth as well as his later hopes for U.S.-China rapprochement was later negated by his perception of humiliation, invasion, and partitioning by foreign powers, resulting in his deep distrust of America. Whether anyone accepts it or not, this historical context rooted in the French Château will be the frame of reference, however subtle, for China when dealing with the West.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well they French said Deja Vu At San Francisco conference both China wasn't even invited
Then to add insult to injury they declare that Japan war booty was illegal and should be return to China .
Yet the Diayou island under US administration is conveniently transfer to Japanese administration
The moral of the story is you cannot depend on other largess or moral uprightness, you just have to arm yourself to teeth
Might make it right!
 

Blackstone

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Well they French said Deja Vu At San Francisco conference both China wasn't even invited
Then to add insult to injury they declare that Japan war booty was illegal and should be return to China .
Yet the Diayou island under US administration is conveniently transfer to Japanese administration
US illegally handed Diaoyu to Japan because Japan was more important to the US than China at the time. I'm fairly confident US wouldn't make the same choice today. My guess is Washington would gladly wash its hands of the entire affair, if it didn't need Japan to balance China. But, as the balance of power continues to tilt in China's direction, US would eventually toss Japan overboard and embrace China.

The moral of the story is you cannot depend on other largess or moral uprightness, you just have to arm yourself to teeth
Might make it right!
Since the dawn of history, it was always thus. China should keep in mind while international laws say Diaoyu belongs to China, it is the PLA that makes it legal.
 

Jeff Head

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This thread is getting political.

SD is NOT political. we all know where it leads.

...even mentioning it like some are doing here, particularly those who have been here a long time...is, IMHO, flame bait.

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