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    I appreciate your perspective, and those are the optics, the President's didn't present his position very well honestly!

    But don't you think this is just a little too "convenient", I mean MBS has a LOT to lose, is he really that stupid?? he's a reformer, and has a desire for Saudi Arabia to move into the modern age..

    I can honestly see those who think they are defending Islam? doing something like this to derail those reforms and get rid of MBS??

    Saudi Arabia will put many of those actual perpetrators to death, and imprison the others, and if MBS is found to be guilty of ordering Khashoggi's murder, I have no problem with him meeting the same fate..

    President Trump and Mike Pompeo are right, our Alliance with Saudi Arabia is far too important to throw away, and the President did state that the Congress would likely open an investigation..
     
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    I see what you are saying, but here this side of the story

    No one inside Saudi can do anything without full knowledge of the man in charge, in this case its MBS

    MBS is really that stupid, no one has authority to murder in a foreign embassy of Saudi unless direct order came from MBS himself

    King Salam in 80 years in charge never did anything like this, he now has slight Parkinson's and his memory is not well personally I don't think he ordered it or even knew of it

    King Salam does not have this kind of track record

    MBS still has 50-60 years ahead of him, you cannot have a lunatic run the country

    No one wants to damage their alliance with Saudis but there is many inside the country that we can talk with, MBS isnt the only contact

    MBS can be brought to international trial brokered by UN, we don't have to damage our relationship with rest of Al Saud family

    Keep the alliance keep the relationship, talk to Saudis and keep oil flowing and trade, there is others who are more liberal and less lunatic than MBS we can talk with

    CIA and Turks have concluded MBS is solely responsible as such I hope he is given a death sentence, the people who did it were just following instructions

    British have a very close intelligence co-operation with Saudis, on everything, what is the point of this intelligence sharing agreement if they are going to recklessly act by themselves, this is a total disrespect of the agreement and they should be punished heavily for this
     
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    no wonder
    Trump statement sticks with Saudis, hyping economic benefits of alliance https://www.defensenews.com/2018/11...-saudis-hyping-economic-benefits-of-alliance/
     
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    now
    BRRRT with Surround Sound: A-10 May Get New 3D Audio System https://www.military.com/defensetec...und-sound-10-may-get-new-3d-audio-system.html
     
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    I am sure a harsher critic of some of our members would retort that that would be "Business as usual."
    I would say if we pulled the plug over this then we might as well pull out of the middle East as a whole save for Isreal who despite the claims is the single state inn the whole mess whom most closely aligns with American views of Human rights, universal suffrage and democracy.
    plently have before plenty will later. Especially when from what we have heard from the CIA of late there seems to be a deep slant inn the agency favoring policy over actual Intel.
    and that's innthere right but they are still only in charge of the lower house the upper is still Republican as is the President.
    MBS is a all round controversial figure with reforms and changes he has made and pushing for as well as the internal crackdown. Removing him though is about as real as the easterbunny
     
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    tragicomic they don't ever mention actual combat value ("value") of some vessels being procured for example 35 LCSs Sep 18, 2018
    , just aggregate number in Panel: Navy May Have to Choose Between New Ballistic Missile Subs or 355 Ship Fleet https://news.usni.org/2018/11/23/panel-navy-may-choose-new-ballistic-missile-subs-355-ship-fleet
     
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    There was an alternative. The Iran deal that Obama made thawed relations with that country which would not have allowed the Saudis and OPEC to blackmail the rest of the world with the threat of higher oil prices as easily. Between one regime and the other I would have to say that Iran isn't THAT bad. Iran might be a state sponsor of "terrorism" worldwide but they are so to a lesser degree than the Saudis (I kid you not) and they are actually a stabilizing influence in the region. Unlike the Saudis which in recent years seem to either invade or have a spat with one of their neighbors be it Bahrein, Qatar, or Yemen. Their regime is clearly out of control.

    Had the deal with Iran been maintained the USA would have had more leverage against Saudi Arabia's behavior. But of course it had to be thrown out because Obama made it.
     
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    Yeah Iran.... yeah so how do I put this. Instead of staying with one nation with a questionable human rights record, use of oil money to sponsor questionable alliances. We jump into bed with another who is just a guilty? If not more so. And who actively is involved with support of armed groups who fight against your own foreign policy.

    I mean if you want to try and make a moral equivalent here it's like saying one shouldn't be friends with John Gotti but should buddy with James "Whitie" Bulger.
     
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    if you want, try
    Federal watchdog report chides Navy for submarine maintenance snafus https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...chides-navy-for-submarine-maintenance-snafus/

    what nobody will ever say is this:
    this 'deferred' maintenance means those subs will be available for longer time in the future (would be important if new financial challenges occurred);

    what nobody asks is this:
    had those subs been available earlier (thanks to no maintenance delays), what would the USN have gained? I mean what opportunities were missed
     
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