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    I borrowed it from Cyberpunk.


     
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    is it [redacted] true

    From Russia with Bullets: Why U.S. Special Forces Want Russian Machine Guns
    Yes, this might happen.

    by Michael Peck
    More specifically, USSOCOM wants American companies to explore whether it is feasible to “reverse engineer or reengineer and domestically produce the following foreign-like weapons: 7.62×54R belt fed light machine gun that resembles a PKM (Pulemyot Kalashnikova Modernizirovany), and a 12.7×108mm heavy machine gun that resembles a Russian-designed NSV (Nikitin, Sokolov, Volkov).”

    etc. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...pecial-forces-want-russian-machine-guns-32956

    ??
     
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    Well there are a number of reasons the biggest is.
    Across the world when a war starts there are three rifles you will always find. No matter region or side the FAL aka right arm of the free world, the AK in one of its variations a weapon that is so ubiquitous that children in Africa have been named after it. The sole area of rarity for the AK until Hugo Chavez rose in to power it was in the Americas however. And the Ar15.
    But along side these there are a number of other weapons very common around the world.
    Now Socom Sodom and the rest of the DOD have two main reasons to want to be able to have access to Russian flavor weapons. The first is training. A soldier deployed may be forced to use a enemy weapon when that happens you want some idea of how to flip the safety off.
    Second when Socom And the U.S. even just the CIA come in to back a side, whether for good or Ill (often simply a matter of perspective.) That faction has been graced with U.S. aide.
    Now that faction is often already armed with a selection of weapons including a large assorted mess of former Warsaw pact weapons and equipment. Placed in this situation the US has a choice try to rearm the whole thing with easier to get from friendly sources weapons like M4 carbines or try to source replacement parts. When Russia was on friendly terms that was easier. Of late however not so much.

    "Oh gee Vlad would you please sell us a batch of Aks for us to give to the FSA you are bombing, or to the Ukrainians who are fighting forces backed by you...." just isn't likely to go over well.
    So they would have to find another way.
    As time as progressed a number of former Warsaw pact nations have of course changed sides. But when that happens they tend to only have warn out weapons and the factories that used to make such weapons tend to be defunct.
    Now in the US there are is something of an AK renisaunce where builders are staring to make AK accessories but as yet few are actually making AKs most of the Civilian AK industry is rebuilt parts kits imported as scrap from nations not to far from your own Jura. These however are... A wild card some are top notch others I wouldn't load of my life depended on it. Other weapons are more specialized and as such even worse. PKM for example. And don't even ask about a 12.7mm machine gun. By good fortune the US can now support RPG7 rockets thanks to Aerotronic.

    Hence the reason for the search.
     
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    if it's for special ops, then OK

    in the morning I hadn't read beyond what I pasted Today at 7:56 AM
    which left with an impression SOCOM had machine-gun issues

    am I getting paranoid? LOL
     
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    So Patriot and THAAD will talk. What does that really mean? https://www.defensenews.com/digital...d-thaad-will-talk-what-does-that-really-mean/
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    "When it comes to THAAD and Patriot integration, McIntire noted he was surprised that the Army doesn’t already have this capability, but it’s imperative that the Army achieve a tiered and layered approach to missile defense rather than have independent, stove-piped systems."

    I guess
     
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    Monday at 7:52 PM
    ahem
    ‘You’re on your own’: US sealift can’t count on US Navy escorts in the next big war, forcing changes https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2...-escorts-in-the-next-big-war-forcing-changes/
     
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    To be honest if I wanted to buy such weapons covertly I would try Serbia.
    I think Zastava Arms from Serbia builds the M84 (PKM clone), and the M87 (NSV clone). Considering the places those weapons have turned up in I doubt they are particularly picky with their clients.
    But the fact that the USA seems to want to replicate the entire Russian small arms lineup natively is kinda amusing to say the least.
    Is this for Afghanistan or what? I certainly hope it ain't for Syria. They would be better off getting out of there. In fact the USA should have never supported that stupid Wahhabist war in the first place.
     
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    Oh yes they make some fairly good ones but we are not talking about nessisarily small batches of covert arms we are sonetime looking for large contracts. And sadly some weapons of a more specialized nature like RPG shells have proven of questionable quality. From such abroad orders.

    A lot of the weapons listed in the report are not even Russian anymore. NSV for example ended up in production in Kazakhstan not Russia after the fall of the USSR leading to the KORD MG. They don't want to replicate every Russian weapon just be able to repair and on occasion supply similar weapons

    not just for those two nations it's for any number of nations where the US comes in to assist not just in combat but also in military aide. The ability to support and maintain friendly forces that were armed with Foreign arms. However doing so by out sourcing to nations with a weak relationship to the U.S. is a issue that can bring down the wrath of Congress.
     
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    Yep, lots of people like to talk about changing weapons, and as I recall, somebody was producing/importing AK's both cast and stamped parts and even forged/machined receivers for the high end AK's seems they were 800 to 1200 or so, kinda negates the loose and functional tolerances, but hey, it would be fun to get some decent accuracy out of the 7.62x39, so SoCom also provides AK's as Ammo is readily available..

    I've actually fired the SKS and the AK, but the AR is a world above those in quality and accuracy, most civilian AR's these days are tack driver's wearing a really high quality optic
     
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