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May 29, 2018
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May 27, 2018
Bahrain or bust – Type 23 frigate to be permanently based in the Gulf
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"Of our 17 non-mothballed escorts ..."
I kinda forgot about that 'strength'

and the last sentence: "The Type 31 programme is the most realistic hope for an increase in numbers, though the five promised are not yet even in the MoD equipment funding plan."

Apr 1, 2016
all I can say is God Save The Queen ...
and
UK halts Type 31e frigate competition

24 July 2018
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Jun 1, 2018
Yesterday at 8:19 PM
I wonder what the armament of this 'whopper'
("... with a displacement of approximately 5,700 tonnes ..."
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would be; I've read somewhere 1 m of the hull = 1 m Pounds, I'll leave it at that
I didn't get what kind of a farce was it, saying "warship" would be procured while like half of the budget would be just for the hull?!
why the Admiralty would want almost unarmed 5+k displacing vessel?! is this the way towards 2050s RN?!

anyway DefenseNews story appeared
The UK halts plans for a budget frigate

10 hours ago
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The British Ministry of Defence confirmed Tuesday that it has halted plans for procuring it’s low-cost proposed Type 31e general purpose frigate for the Royal Navy on the grounds there were insufficient compliant bids.

The MoD choose the day Parliament went into its summer recess to reveal that a competition to build five frigates at a price capped at a relatively low £1.25 billion had been put on ice while the procurement process was rethought.

A spokesman for the MoD said the current competition was being restarted due to insufficient compliant bids being lodged for an effective and robust competition but that the move does not change the timing or scope of the program.

“There have been no changes in our plans to procure a first batch of five new Type 31e frigates to grow our Royal Navy,” said the spokesman. “We still want the first ship delivered by 2023 and are confident that industry will meet the challenge of providing them for the price tag we’ve set.”

A new procurement plan is in the works, MoD officials said.

Industry executives in Britain said the decision to delay the program, intended to replace the Type 23 fleet, means it is doubtful the Royal Navy will be able to meet what was an already tight 2023 deadline.

The MoD had committed to announcing the two winners of a competitive design phase no later than the end of June. A winning contractor was expected to be selected by the end of March 2019.

“This is an early contract in a wider procurement process, and we will incorporate the lessons learned and begin again as soon as possible so the program can continue at pace,” the MoD spokesman said.

The competitive design phase was to have been funded by the MoD – the first time the government would have committed any meaningful cash to the program.

Procurement of the warships is at the heart of a new national shipbuilding strategy rolled out by the Conservative government in 2017.

With BAE Systems set to build eight Type 26 anti-submarine warfare frigates for the Royal Navy, the government was looking for a general purpose warship capable of supporting naval shipbuilding capabilities elsewhere in the UK.

A Babcock-led team which also included naval designers, sensor suppliers and other shipbuilders were pitching against a Cammell Laird-led partnership with BAE.

Babcock is offering the Arrowhead 140, a modified version of the Danish Navy’s Iver Huitfeld-class warship designed by OMT, while the opposition is offering its Leander design.

As recently as July 13, Babcock was notifying potential suppliers of an industry day briefing on their Type 31e bid – the "e" in the title stands for export as the British are hoping to pitch the design and cost to make it attractive to overseas customers.

The MoD had hoped for more international interest in the program but industry executives here said the requirement for so much of the work to be done in the UK had deterred companies which initially had shown interest.

One of the other issues that had undermined foreign interest was the exceptional degree of risk the MoD wanted industry to take on the program, one executive said.
 

Obi Wan Russell

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Regarding Type 31E, if you are postulating ANY reason other than the Treasury has not provided any funding for the project, then you are wrong. They have an addiction to cutting four or five escorts every few years and now they've been told they can't cut the existing fleet so they're trying to cut new orders. It really is THAT stupid.
 
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Regarding Type 31E, if you are postulating ANY reason other than the Treasury has not provided any funding for the project, then you are wrong. They have an addiction to cutting four or five escorts every few years and now they've been told they can't cut the existing fleet so they're trying to cut new orders. It really is THAT stupid.
was going on, then I'd think the Treasury got the good answer for wrong reasons!

I mean it'd be ludicrous to procure 5+k vessels with an armament just for self-defense (OK the main gun and a small array with Sea Ceptors) which is what would inevitably happen considering the budget (something like $300m per ship, LOL)
 
Tuesday at 8:23 PM
May 29, 2018
and
UK halts Type 31e frigate competition

24 July 2018
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now went over the discussion below
Type 31e Frigate programme to be restarted

July 26, 2018
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yes,
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mostly fanbois still thumping their chests, truly pathetic is the part 'no no, it's 19 escorts, not 17!', but I agree with this debater:
Graham
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Another bleak day for the RN. They are not restarting this program to add funding (otherwise they could have continued as is) but to produce a warship for the original 250m pound price.
The design will have to be significantly downgraded to meet this price, so we are likely back to the unthinkable, a enhanced OPV / corvette design armed with a pop gun and a hanger (fitted for but not with a helo). Its hard to imagine that this vessel will be a credible ‘low end’ fleet escort (have the speed, range, sensors & weapons) to support a carrier group or even to escort supply ships. Another in a long line of stealth cuts.
 
fishy part of
The future of British shipbuilding, marching towards a steady drumbeat?
July 27, 2018
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"The National Shipbuilding Strategy made the recommendation that the MoD replace the ships once they reach their first refit period, rather than extending their time in service thorough costly refits, meaning that Type 31es could be sold while still relatively new and replaced with more modern incrementally upgraded examples all while clawing back some of the money used to build them with overseas sales.

The idea behind this being that ships have a 15 year life span, rather than the 30 or so they usually would, meaning they are sold on at mid-life refit time. Doing this would maintain relatively constant production of the Type 31e, similar to the Arleigh Burke class in the United States which has now been in build for decades with each batch being superior to the last."

(by the way the USN doesn't sell out older Burkes, and LOL only Saudi Arabia asked about the price as far as I know, as the only allied country which could afford them)

delusional to wait for "clawing back some of the money" for an oversized OPVs built for meager $300m fifteen years ago LOL the value of aluminum scrap
 
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