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manqiangrexue

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The import is 10% of the beef consumption.
I am the only one who check the data?
Yes, you are the only person with reading comprehension issues. 10% or 5% or 50%, I said Chinese beef imports are rising, not at a certain percent.
We talk about recent events/trends.

This is not bout single person trends.
There are always guys who do better than others.

The interesting is the situation of the masses, and I think at least 700 million Chinese can be happy to mop up the leftover pork from the lucky ones that swapped over to lobster.

China is bigger than any Chinese can imagine : P
Well, you don't speak for 700 million people or tell them what kind of meat they want to eat. These people are eating more overall protein (meat and seafood) and eating more expensive protein. That is the big trend; there is no reason for the consumption of just pork to be seen as more reliable than the consumption of all proteins combined. For you to do so is a prime example of cherry-picking data.
No, you can't explain the heavy duty drop, apart from a decrease in shipping demand.

There is no visible shift in the sales/production numbers. There is only marginal change from internal combustion to electric.

And yeah, there is a global drop back. Will be interesting to see how weather China.
LOL Just because you say no doesn't mean it's no. I've already explained that older trains can pick up a huge amount of shipping slack. And maybe the shipping demand is decreased, but it is for healthy reasons, as I have explained before. The shift in production and sales is a drop in conventional vehicles in line with the rest of the world and a surge (~70%) in EV sales. You need to not pretend that you can't see this.
 

AssassinsMace

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Trump is hoping for help from the WTO against countries daring to retaliate against his metal tariffs. It's entertaining the kind of thinking coming from Trump's trade war. I don't know if Trump supporters are parroting from the same news source or it's bots at work but this is a comment I commonly see regarding soybeans. They claim since China is buying soybeans from Brazil and not the US, the Brazilians are buying soybeans from the US and selling them to China. If that were happening the price for US soybeans wouldn't be at 10-year lows. Then I saw a news article claiming that because Brazilian farmers are getting rich on selling soybeans to China, Brazilian people are starving because farmers are growing crops for what China needs and not what Brazilian citizens need. That wouldn't be happening if Brazil is buying US soybeans and then sell them to China.
 

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Brazil has kept increasing its soybean production over the past decade. If there are issues with famine in Brazil they have to do with both income inequality and poor food education by the general population. Not soy exports.

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The chart above should help dispel any stupid ideas that USA citizens have about the USA being 'irreplaceable' as a Soybean exporter nation to China. Those people are still living in the past century in their minds.

The following figure helps explain why Brazilian soy is more expensive than US soy. A large part of the production is inland and it is being trucked to harbors. In the cause of southern production, which seems like it doesn't have that problem, the thing is the closest harbor is actually in Argentina which also makes it more expensive to ship. Rail infrastructure and more port facilities in Brazil would solve that problem.

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This link below also quite informative about the transportation issue.
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Icmer

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A large part of the production is inland and it is being trucked to harbors. In the cause of southern production, which seems like it doesn't have that problem, the thing is the closest harbor is actually in Argentina which also makes it more expensive to ship. Rail infrastructure and more port facilities in Brazil would solve that problem.

This would also help:

Railway project connecting Pacific, Atlantic still on track: Chinese embassy in Brazil

Source:Global Times Published: 2018/2/15 15:27:35

China, Brazil and Peru have reached consensus on cooperation involving a new 5,000-kilometer railway between Brazil and Peru that would open a new trade route between China and South America by bypassing the Panama Canal, according to a statement sent to the Global Times by the Embassy of China to Brazil on Wednesday.

The comment was in response to a Reuters report on Sunday, which cited a Brazilian official as saying that the country had dropped plans for the railway due to concerns over costs and engineering challenges.

The three countries pledged in July 2014 to build a railway across the South American continent, after Chinese President Xi Jinping met with his Brazilian and Peruvian counterparts in Brazil, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

A final report on researching the feasibility of the railway has been completed, said the embassy's statement. And Brazilian and Peruvian officials have also highly praised the "professional and efficient" work of the Chinese team.

The railway would cross the Andes - the world's longest continental mountain range- to ports on the Pacific. It would allow ships from China and other countries to dock in Peru and load cargo that had been sent from Brazil by rail. Commodities from China and other countries could also take the shortcut rail route, instead of passing through the Panama Canal to the Atlantic Ocean and sailing far to the south to reach ports in South America.

For the next stage of development, the two Latin American countries will study and research detailed questions regarding financing of construction and the sustainability of the railway, the statement said. When that part of the process is completed they will select "important routes to promote the railway project step by step."

"Chinese companies respect the willingness of countries involved and will cooperate in relevant works," the statement noted.

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China market drop affect US too . global economy is connected after all. Dow just drop another 450 pts again from last week

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Economic Watch: China moves to boost investor confidence, stock market rallies
Xinhua| 2018-10-22 18:44:15
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Chinese stocks surged Monday after policy makers moved to boost confidence in the stock market and pledged to enact measures to ensure its healthy development.

Extending Friday's rebound, the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index on Monday rallied 4.09 percent to 2,654.88, the largest daily increase in 31 months.

This came after concerted efforts by heavyweight economic officials to ease domestic investor concerns about the national economy and the "abnormal fluctuations" on the financial markets.

Vice Premier Liu He told reporters Friday that many factors had caused obvious stock fluctuations and declines in China recently, including interest rate hikes by the central banks of major economies and Sino-U.S. trade frictions.

"The psychological effect is bigger than the actual impact," Liu said, mentioning the impact of Sino-U.S. trade frictions on the stock market.

He said the corrections and sell-offs were "creating good investment opportunities" for the long-term and healthy development of the stock market.

The country's stock market has tumbled this year, with the key Shanghai index down more than 20 percent from its January peak of 3,523 points.

"Current stock market valuation has been at a relatively low level in history, which is in contrast to the country's stable and positive economic fundamental," said Yi Gang, governor of the People's Bank of China.

Bucking a downturn on the stock market, the country's economy remained on solid footing, expanding 6.7 percent in the first nine months of the year and on track to achieve the government's target of around 6.5 percent for 2018.

Guo Shuqing, chairman of the China Banking and Insurance Regulatory Commission (CBIRC), said the financial market swings had been "abnormal" and "seriously out of line with the fundamentals of China's economic development and inconsistent with the overall stability in China's financial system."

Guo said more policies will be unveiled to bring the financial markets back on the track of "normal and healthy development."

The CBIRC is seeking feedback on a draft plan to allow funds from products publicly sold by commercial banks' wealth management subsidiaries to be directly invested in stocks.

Currently, only funds raised from privately sold bank wealth management products can be directly invested in the stock market.

Guo also urged financial institutions to properly handle risks from equity pledge financing, in an effort to soothe concerns that falling stock prices might trigger a downward spiral of forced liquidation.

Listed firms, capital-starved small and medium-sized enterprises, in particular, use their equities as collateral for loans. The pledged equities will get liquidated and further drag the market down when their prices fall below critical levels unless borrowers add collateral to cover the declining value or repay the loans.

When a company's share prices fall to near the alarming line, financial institutions should not rush to activate forced liquidation, but properly handle it according to the company's development prospects and fundamentals, a CBIRC official told Xinhua.

To bolster the stock market, the country is also mulling rules to make it easier for listed firms to buy back their shares, which could help firms stabilize their share prices.

According to Liu Shiyu, chairman of the China Securities Regulatory Commission, draft amendments to relevant laws have been delivered to the country's top legislature for review.

More policies are expected to be rolled out as a Saturday meeting of the financial stability and development committee under the State Council emphasized the need to give full play to the key role of the capital market.
 

AndrewS

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@Anlsvrthng

There was a *rush* of car sales in China in the last half of 2017 because of a tax break which expired on 1st Jan 2018.

So you have to be careful about trying to compare year on year sales figures in 2018

This has been written about in English language media, and you would know this if you did a little research, instead of just reposting articles without thinking.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Car sales falling everywhere .

And the car sales in China shown monotone growing trend for long time.

Last year tax break was there to boost the demand in falling market.

But as it looks that was only a temporary relief.
 

AssassinsMace

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Trump thought just starting his trade war if China didn't bend the knee would collapse China. Peter Navarro told Trump no one in the world would dare retaliate against Trump's tariffs because their US relations were that more important. Everything they predicted didn't happen. Hence why they move the goal posts all the time. Remember those that said the J-20's landing gear was fixed because they never saw during initial flight tests the landing gear go up. Now they deny they ever said that. It's easy to believe you're always right when you ignore everything you were wrong on.

Thirty years ago the West believed wholeheartedly that China would never be where it's at right now. Yes, China can take credit for Trump getting elected, for Brexit, and the rise of the right anywhere in the West. Why? Because their rise is a result of everything they were taught to believe being in question now because of the rise of China contradicts it and that has resulted in great insecurity. Oh yeah they'll make excuses to say otherwise. It doesn't explain how the rise of China has shaken them to the core. That's not something to be ashamed of. China didn't achieve it through war. Compared to everyone else's rise, it's the most peaceful one in history. That's where the anger comes because they only have bad excuses and no good ones to stop it. That's why people sees Trump as the villain over China. They want to take credit for China's rise and yet don't take responsibility for people being poor because that's how the logic goes. Why do they allow it to happen if they don't like it to then take all the credit. You can't take credit for something you didn't want to have happened in the first place. That's thinking which they don't want people to do. China's rise causes them to show their true colors from what they promote to claim they believe in the world. That's what China's rise has done.
 
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Economic Watch: China moves to boost investor confidence, stock market rallies
Xinhua| 2018-10-22 18:44:15
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Chinese shares surge more than 4 pct Monday
Xinhua| 2018-10-22 16:33:38
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Chinese stocks surged more than 4 percent on Monday, as market confidence was boosted by the recent comments of Vice Premier Liu He on the stock market.

The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index rose 4.09 percent to close at 2,654.88 points, while the Shenzhen Component Index closed 4.89 percent higher at 7,748.82 points.

Combined turnover of stocks on the two bourses stood at 422 billion yuan (about 61 billion U.S. dollars), up from 287 billion yuan on the previous trading day.

On Friday, Liu answered questions from domestic media about hot economic and financial issues, where he underlined the resilience and prospects of the Chinese economy.

Previous corrections and sell-offs on the stock market created good investment opportunities for the long-term and healthy development of the stock market, Liu said.

Shares were strong across the board, with all listed securities brokers surging by the daily limit of 10 percent.

The ChiNext Index, China's NASDAQ-style board of growth enterprises, gained 5.2 percent to close at 1,314.94 points.
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