Trade War with China

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AndrewS

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Car sales falling everywhere .

And the car sales in China shown monotone growing trend for long time.

Last year tax break was there to boost the demand in falling market.

But as it looks that was only a temporary relief.

Again. Please do some research before posting yet another fake assertion like car sales are falling everywhere.

It's only Europe and Japan where this is happening. Even so, global car sales are still on the increase, so how on earth can car sales be falling everywhere?

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Plus you do realise that there was still healthy growth in car sales in China in 2017? The expiry of the tax break just meant sales were shifted from 2018 to 2017
 
saw cars here, so:
China says slow auto sales growth to continue as "new normal"
Xinhua| 2018-10-23 15:54:16
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A senior official said Tuesday that China's auto sales and production would enter a period of slow growth.

The country's auto sales and production had been at high levels, reaching more than 29.4 million units in 2017, and it was hard to sustain the high-speed growth, said Xin Guobin, deputy head of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

"Under the current circumstances, the period of fast auto sales and production expansion may be over, and slow growth is likely to be the new normal," Xin told a press conference.

The country's auto sales and production totaled 20.49 million in the first nine months of the year, up 0.9 percent and 1.5 percent from one year earlier, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers.

In September, auto sales fell for the third month in a row, down 11.55 percent from one year earlier, while production dropped 11.71 percent.

Despite the slowed growth, Xin said the country's auto industry still enjoyed vast potential for development as huge demand would emerge from replacement and small cities.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Again. Please do some research before posting yet another fake assertion like car sales are falling everywhere.

It's only Europe and Japan where this is happening. Even so, global car sales are still on the increase, so how on earth can car sales be falling everywhere?

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Plus you do realise that there was still healthy growth in car sales in China in 2017? The expiry of the tax break just meant sales were shifted from 2018 to 2017

USA, Japan,China, Europe.
Sales falling in these places.
Quick google will show the September numbers.
 

AndrewS

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USA, Japan,China, Europe.
Sales falling in these places.
Quick google will show the September numbers.

A quick google is simply not good enough.

I see a report released yesterday that says 2018 global auto sales are expected to increase 2.5% this year, which is slightly faster than 2017
So auto sales aren't falling everywhere as you say.

You have to look at the one off factors like hurricanes in the USA, the introduction of emissions standards in Europe, tax changes in China, etc etc

As I said again, you need to do more research as to why things are happening, because you're wasting everyone's time with fake news/assertions.

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this one is interesting:
China wants to stop buying American soybeans entirely
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First, Beijing slapped tariffs on American soybeans. Now, it wants to wean its farmers off them altogether.
China has been facing a potential
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shortage after it put a
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on importing them from the United States in July, part of the escalating trade war between the two countries.

China is
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, using them as a protein-rich feed for livestock such as pigs and chickens. More than a third of its supply comes from the United States.
Beijing's solution to get by without US beans? Give the animals less to eat.
One of the country's top industry groups this month
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cutting the amount of protein used in livestock feeds, saying animals could get by with less than is required at the moment. The government-run China Feed Industry Association said a reliance on imported soybeans is creating a "bottleneck" for the country's farming industry.
But getting millions of Chinese farmers to reduce the amount of foreign soybeans eaten by their pigs is a daunting task that is likely to take a long time to carry out and could cause disruption throughout the country's agricultural industry.
The plan would inflict further pain on US farmers already smarting from the tariffs and could eventually mean China no longer needs American soybeans at all.
"It's directly linked to the US-China trade war," said Loren Puette, the director of research firm ChinaAg in Taiwan. "The implication is that China will completely halt all future imports of US soybeans."

Threat to US farmers
China has alternative soybean sources, the biggest is Brazil, but they don't produce enough to replace its imports from the United States.
"Sourcing soybeans from a bunch of trade partners is both expensive and inefficient," said Even Pay, a Beijing-based agriculture analyst at research firm China Policy. "Companies are looking for cheaper, alternative sources of protein."
Some local Chinese governments are encouraging farmers to grow soybeans instead of other crops, but analysts say China is a long way from being able to produce anywhere near enough to meet its own needs.
A long-term shift by China away from importing US soybeans would have serious consequences for American farmers, who sold more than $12 billion worth of soybeans to the country last year, their largest export market.

Five years ago, Beijing temporarily stopped accepting shipments of
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American corn, another important animal feed, prompting Chinese farmers to buy other crops like sorghum and barley. Chinese demand for US corn never fully recovered, according to Pay.
American soybean farmers have
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repeatedly about the threat to their livelihood from the trade war.
Paul Burke, senior director of the US Soybean Export Council in Shanghai, said he thinks the Chinese government is trying "to minimize the import of any US soybeans" with its plan. He expects Chinese demand for American soybeans to fall if the proposals are implemented.

In August, there were already signs that China was shunning American soybeans after imposing tariffs on them the month before.
"The US soybeans are not allowed to be imported, you can't get it even if you want to," Xu Limin, a sales manager at Hebei Power Sea Feed Technology, a Chinese company that last year imported thousands of tons of US soybean products, told CNN at the time.
"Imports from the US have been almost nonexistent in recent months," analysts at research firm Fitch Solutions wrote in a note to clients this week. That's largely because soybeans are typically harvested in Brazil in the first half of the year and in the United States in the last quarter, they noted.
The real test will be the next few months when Brazilian supplies dry up.
"China will have to import some soybeans from the US in the coming months," the Fitch analysts said, predicting it will switch back to Brazilian ones as soon as they become available again early next year.
Can Beijing pull it off?
A move to cut down on soybean use in China would need to be skillfully managed.
The Chinese government is likely to face a tough task steering millions of pig farmers across the country into following the lower protein requirements.

Beijing's plans to wean the country off its reliance on imported soybeans "will take time and be difficult to implement," the Fitch analysts said.
Farmers may turn to alternative protein sources like canola, cottonseed and sunflower. But it might not be a straightforward swap.
Some of these options are limited in supply, and the new demand will likely push up their prices. In some cases, feeds based on canola can be toxic to animals, analysts said.
A rapid shift away from soybeans could create "chaos in the animal feed sector," Puette warned.
The stakes are high for farmers and feed companies to get it right. Many Chinese farmers operate on tight profit margins, and any health issues with their animals could risk putting them out of business.
"There's no silver bullet that can be readily used" in soybeans' place, Puette said.
 
now I read
Spotlight: U.S. tariffs on China worsen housing affordability crisis
Xinhua| 2018-10-25 16:13:21
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New U.S. tariffs on 200 billion U.S. dollars of Chinese imports have caused an extra cost burden for American home builders and buyers, exacerbating an affordability crisis that has serious social and economic consequences.

The United States added 10-percent tariffs on 200 billion dollars worth of Chinese imports on Sept. 24. The list of the tariffs, on top of the 50 billion dollars of goods already taxed earlier this year, includes 10 billion dollars of goods used by the home building industry, according to the calculation of the U.S. National Association of Home Builders (NAHB).

The 10 percent levy represents a 1-billion-dollar tax increase on residential construction, the NAHB said in a report, noting a more gloomy tax hike up to 2.5 billion dollars for the industry when the tariff rate jumps to 25 percent on Jan. 1, 2019.

"Our builders began receiving notices of price increases from their suppliers in late September. The price increase has been commensurate with the level of tariffs," David Logan, director of Tax and Trade Policy Analysis at NAHB, told Xinhua on Wednesday.

The NAHB is a federation of more than 700 state and local associations, representing more than 140,000 members across the United States.

CHILL ALREADY FELT

Logan said it would take another month for the price effects to show up in the consumer price index and producer price index. But the chill has already seeped into the housing market.

"The impact is immediate," Michael Turner, owner of Classic Urban Homes, a Dallas-based custom home builder, told Xinhua. Following the tariffs, quoted prices from his suppliers for a 30-day period have risen 10 percent to 15 percent for everything ranging from counter-tops to tiles.

The type of house Turner's company builds used to cost about 750,000 to 1 million dollars. "A 10-percent increase on that base is a huge amount," he said.

More and more customers are postponing their home building plans, making do with what they currently have and hoping the market will cool off a bit, Turner said.

"Recently announced tariffs are adding to price pressures and preventing builders from delivering homes to working families," the Dallas Home Builders Association said in its October market update.

The new tariffs levied against China were not the first that boomeranged on the United States. Since last year, a medley of tariffs the United States imposed on foreign imports have ended up elevating its own home building cost.

The 20-percent tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber added 9,000 dollars to the cost of single-family homes in the United States, the NAHB said.

Though there has been no authoritative estimation of the impact of U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum against major trading partners on the cost of multi-family homes and buildings, the consensus is the tariffs only add insult to wounds for the American housing industry.

Aside from rising construction costs, mortgage rates have also been climbing too quickly, forcing buyers to reach deeper into pockets and eroding affordability.

Data released by Freddie Mac on Oct. 18 showed the 30-year fixed mortgage rate average stood at 4.85 percent, after hitting 4.90 percent a week earlier -- the highest since mid-April 2011.

With another hike for the Federal Reserve interest rates on the cards this year, experts foresee the mortgage rates will remain stable at such a high level. The rate was 3.88 percent a year ago.

The factors of high mortgage rates and rising home prices have snowballed and cut into housing affordability in the United States, which reached a 10-year low in the second quarter of the year, according to the NAHB/Well Fargo Housing Opportunity Index.

Latest sales figure proves the case. The Commerce Department said Wednesday sales of newly-constructed homes in December plunged to 553,000, 5.5 percent lower than in August and the lowest since December 2016.

The stocks unanimously plummeted at the news, with Dow down 608 points, erasing all of its gains for 2018. The SPDR S&P Homebuilders ETF (XHB) dropped 3.5 percent.

Faris Saah, senior lecturer at Harvard University, told Xinhua the housing affordability crisis has serious social and economic repercussions. It reduces workers' mobility to seek better jobs in new regions, causes a slower rise and decline in homeownership rates, reduces access to wealth creation through homeownership leading to a drag on consumer spending.

FED SOUNDS ALARM

The Federal Reserve also sounded the alarm in its latest two meetings. In the minutes of its Aug. 1 monetary policy meeting, it recognized the possibility of "a significant weakening" in the housing sector as a "downside risk" for the broad economy.

In its Sept. 26 meeting minutes, it predicted real residential investment would decline further in the third quarter and new home starts would continue to drop.

"With America facing a housing affordability crisis, it is counterproductive to enact policies that will needlessly drive up the cost of housing," Randy Noel, chairman of the NAHB, said last month in a statement.

"We respectfully urge the administration to change course and work to resolve these trade disputes in a manner that won't harm American businesses and consumers," Noel said.

For now, Turner and his price-weary customers are caught in a fix amid the affordability crisis. Buyers are opting for a wait-and-see stance while Turner tries to convince them of the new reality.

"I try to tell them that there is little chance the building cost will be back down in, say, 60 or 90 days, and that the increased cost is the 'new normal'," he said.

The market, however, is seeing a "buyer fatigue," he said, with a sense of helplessness obvious in his tone.
 

Anlsvrthng

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A quick google is simply not good enough.

I see a report released yesterday that says 2018 global auto sales are expected to increase 2.5% this year, which is slightly faster than 2017
So auto sales aren't falling everywhere as you say.

You have to look at the one off factors like hurricanes in the USA, the introduction of emissions standards in Europe, tax changes in China, etc etc

As I said again, you need to do more research as to why things are happening, because you're wasting everyone's time with fake news/assertions.

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"expected "useless.

I saw many business idea die, because the reality doesn't adjusted.

Past sure, but future is unpredictable.
 

AndrewS

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"expected "useless.

I saw many business idea die, because the reality doesn't adjusted.

Past sure, but future is unpredictable.

The projection for 2.5% growth in global auto sales for 2018 is not useless, because 9months of data is already available. This fact directly contradicts your assertion that auto sales are falling everywhere.

Plus you do realise your own reality is not adjusting very fast to the facts as just pointed out.

And I disagree that projections based on analysis are useless. Because when reality doesn't match up, you have a basis to question and adjust your methodology and reasoning.

If you had more experience of business decision-making, you would realise that a successful business has to plan and forecast an estimate, instead of just giving up.
 

Anlsvrthng

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The projection for 2.5% growth in global auto sales for 2018 is not useless, because 9months of data is already available. This fact directly contradicts your assertion that auto sales are falling everywhere.

Plus you do realise your own reality is not adjusting very fast to the facts as just pointed out.

And I disagree that projections based on analysis are useless. Because when reality doesn't match up, you have a basis to question and adjust your methodology and reasoning.

If you had more experience of business decision-making, you would realise that a successful business has to plan and forecast an estimate, instead of just giving up.
Maybe it is better to say "dangerous".

The analysis showing the herd the way to the butcher.
 

AndrewS

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Maybe it is better to say "dangerous".

The analysis showing the herd the way to the butcher.

No, get the facts and then come up with your own analysis, instead of just relying on what someone says. Your result may or may not be congruent with the herd.

There is just way too much false and inaccurate stuff that people publish.
 
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