Trade War with China

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  1. Hendrik_2000
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    I think the article is a piece of propaganda demonizing China . Now if you took a loan with bank the bank, normally they ask you for collateral. And if you can't pay back the loan the bank will repossess your collateral It is normal practice Why it is so different for China? Is there different set of standard for the west and one for China? It is hypocrisy to the hilt

    Now the loan normally come with interest To begin with there is no free lunch in this world and those loan are the result of sweat and toil by the Chinese people. It will be unfair for them to give it for free to other when china is not even rich country now
    Not to mention the moral hazard of giving freebie because it will remove the principle of accountability via LKJ86

    West has no grounds for criticizing China model in Africa
    By Wang Wenwen Source:Global Times Published: 2018/8/27 22:38:40

    Next week will see leaders from across Africa gather in Beijing for the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation. The triennial summit, themed "China and Africa: Toward an Even Stronger Community with a Shared Future through Win-win Cooperation," will once again bring China-Africa cooperation onto the international agenda.

    Even before the summit convenes, Western media have started to scrutinize the China-Africa relationship. An opinion article published by the Financial Times argued that China's engagement in Africa and its infrastructure-driven economic model is "failing" this continent.

    Nonetheless, such a tone fails to appreciate China's evolving role in Africa.

    In the early years of China's engagement in Africa, Beijing emphasized exchanging raw materials for China-made products. This has now been supplemented by Chinese aid and investment projects that address the continent's demands for infrastructure. As of now, China is the leading financier of infrastructure projects in Africa, averaging about annual $11.5 billion in investment over 2012-16.

    China's aid and development financing fills a void left by Western countries which sought to use aid to influence the domestic politics of African countries and extract political gains. Unlike the West, what China has been doing in Africa is not paying lip service. At the last forum in 2015 in Johannesburg, South Africa, Chinese President Xi Jinping pledged $60 billion for African development over the next three years.

    China hopes to help Africa achieve better development by aiding its industrialization and infrastructure, through creating local jobs and mobilizing its labor force. China does not want African countries to copy its model. Rather, by lending its development experiences, China hopes that these countries can explore their own development path and become another young global economic locomotive and world factory.

    Meanwhile, the intention of Chinese projects in Africa is not altruistic. Beyond strengthening ties with the continent, China is also looking for new export markets for its labor and goods and standardizing its technologies.

    From this perspective, China's engagement with Africa fits the very concept of win-win cooperation that China has been working on - China calls it "win-win" when countries work together for the common benefit of humanity. This is also the theme of the upcoming forum.

    How Africa can develop is not up to outsiders to decide. What it needs is necessary support to facilitate development. With its size and demographic advantage, Africa should benefit from globalization. The West in the past took Africa as a place to plunder without any consideration of its infrastructure. It is now not able to provide what China is providing. The West has no grounds for criticizing China's model in Africa.

    Source:http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1117305.shtml
     
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    LOL, but careful about baiting/trolling me
     
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    I was able to download it after typing

    China’s+Belt+and+Road+projects+drive+overseas+debt+fears+financial+times

    into google search window; here's the chunk about SOEs for you:
     
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    Today at 8:46 AM
    ... etc., but now found

    "The 809 million euros Montenegro received from China’s Export-Import Bank covers 85 percent of the cost of the first section of the road.

    The dollar-denominated loan carries a 2 percent interest rate, 20-year repayment schedule and 6-year grace period – attractive terms but a major long-term burden for a country of roughly 620,000 people."

    inside
    Chinese 'highway to nowhere' haunts Montenegro
    July 16, 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ay-to-nowhere-haunts-montenegro-idUSKBN1K60QX


    I mean I thought it'd be a higher percentage, it looks more like a problem of building of what they (Montenegro in this case) can't afford
     
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    pardon me?

    (no sarcasm, I didn't get what you meant)
     
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    Something you should watch.

     
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    Banks generally charge different interest rates to different companies and individuals. The rate is determined by the risk of default. The difference between that rate and a reference rate (US Treasury, LIBOR, etc) is called a risk premium
     
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    now I read
    Opinion: The trade war launched by the US will crush itself
    2018-08-27 19:32 GMT+8 https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d674e30677a4e79457a6333566d54/share_p.html

     
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    Why should i ( bait/troll you) ? I'm really interested to discuss such things from a political view as you can see. Or you'll throw me tons of LOL's? nah, i'm not afraid anything from someone who writes "Communism" with a capital C ;)

    Because i consider myself a wannabe marxist , so it will sadden me a lot if PRC is acting just like others. A marxist regime has to be progressive. I think CCP right now is practising the findings from Das Kapital, economically and philosophically but in positive way. Positive is not a good thing from dialectic materialism view. CCP is playing with fire , while there are huge inequalities forming between Chinese people and the gap in getting wider. On the one hand millions of people stepped out of extreme poverty ,on the other hand billionaire's popping up like mushrooms. And lately billionaires got the right to get into the Party. Please do not say anything hyprocritical about democratic rights of a billionaire to govern. There's nothing democratic on being rich extracting value from workers, Chinese or not. Consider that as friendly critique not an offence from an economical-geopolitical ( fascist ) view.
     
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    What's wrong with being a billionaire? What's wrong with creating jobs?

    In fact, what's wrong with inequality?
     
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