Z-8 and Z-18 transport helicopter - family & versions


FangYuan

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Therefore, I would say to whoever wants to throw insult at me (or Chinese/China in general) for Z20 being a "shameless copy cat": came at me, fool, I'm loving it! You insult is worth how many points of actual damage? Well, we are not feeling any. While at the same time, the PLA is enjoying the benefit of having this magnificent new piece of equipment.your post
yes, it is unlikely he will say the same thing to the Russian Tu-4 or Japan's M1 Garand.
Such views do not contribute much and need not be considered
 
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Tirdent

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Well, that graphic on Huitong's site suggests 31% wider cabin. We'll see if that's overly optimistic.

And I'm not sure if we can deduce from *actual images* the cabin is noticeably taller, if at all.
That graphic is strange - it depicts the Z-8L cabin as practically the same height as on the Z-8, unlike the dimensioning suggests. Ok, so they're not to scale for some reason, one might be tempted to dismiss. But the ratios of width to height are also off, and by slightly different factors in the Z-8 and Z-8L cross sections (so it's not simply a distortion on top of a difference in scale).
 

Mohsin77

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Note: What I am about to say may sound a little bit offensive, but I don't have any intention to offend.

I assume Asif is a male of Pakistani origin. So culturally speaking, asif is of the muslim world. Well, I would say that compare to China, the Muslim World is comparatively young civilization. So Muslims has this very ascetic, proud and pure-hearted kind of youthful demeanor to them, while Chinese is more of a rejuvenated Daoist immortal kind of cunning spirit (one that looks very young and new, but actually retained an extremely old consciousness). Muslims can't handle having to lay low and endure, what in our Chinese culture called "蛰伏" (roughly translate to hibernating).

Muslims are like war horses, they can't bear to suffer any insult, injustice or humiliation. They are kinda like Japanese, so easily overwhelmed by any little feelings of shame. If you put it upon them, they will fight to the death, even if it means a one-sided slaughter against them. So, for a powerful enemy who wants to destroy an Islamic population, all they need is to provoke them. Goaded into vengeful rage, Muslims will throw all they have into the enemy, which play right into their enemy's hands.

Chinese, on the other hands, were only like that way back in the Shang and Zhou dynasties (1600BC to 256BC). The people of the Muslim world did have a extremely long history, but they didn't inherit many of those culture, teachings and experiences, because their identity (the one which the people identify with) keep on changing. But for Chinese, the identity has always been the same.

There you go, I explained it in my own way. Chinese culture of the current era has a lot influence from Scholar/General Zeng Guofan (1811 -1872). His idea of "弃圆求缺" (abandon the pursuit for perfection and completeness, and instead aiming for a continued state of discontent and incompleteness). Chinese people don't care about taking and hording everything little high-ground simply for boasting. The Chinese psyche strive to staying in a balance state, in which they have both something to feel good about and something that reminds them of their shortcomings and vulnerabilities.

Leaving aside Asif's silly provocation, I generally agree with your analysis. By the way, we aren't just a "comparatively young" civilization, we are the youngest major civilization, period, at 1400 years. Our reactive nature is a function of this youth, plus a few other parameters unique to our history. You are also correct that we are currently 'hibernating,' in a dark age. I think it's going to take us another century (or two) before we figure all of this out and grow up.

As for "copying" tech and design, IMO, in a perfect world, 'patents' wouldn't exist, and 'intellectual property' would be free, with due credit. After all, as Picasso/Banksy said:

banksy #picasso #instalicious #igers | #banksy #picasso #in… | Flickr
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Leaving aside Asif's silly provocation, I generally agree with your analysis. By the way, we aren't just a "comparatively young" civilization, we are the youngest major civilization, period, at 1400 years. Our reactive nature is a function of this youth, plus a few other parameters unique to our history. You are also correct that we are currently 'hibernating,' in a dark age. I think it's going to take us another century (or two) before we figure all of this out and grow up.

As for "copying" tech and design, IMO, in a perfect world, 'patents' wouldn't exist, and 'intellectual property' would be free, with due credit. After all, as Picasso/Banksy said:

banksy #picasso #instalicious #igers | #banksy #picasso #in… | Flickr
Yes, the Muslim World is in fact the youngest major civilization in the world. Now I think about it, this is actually quite incredible. On a civilizational level, The Muslim World is hibernating. But I do see a great revival of the Muslim World in the coming centuries. To be honest, even today, the Muslim World has incredible social advancements and achievements that is simply unmatched by any other civilization. For example, where do you actually see another major civilization which can organically integrate all major races (East and SE Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans, and Europeans) into one civilization, and none of them out numbers everyone else by a large shot. This is already unfathomable in other civilizations.
 

crash8pilot

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Oh the irony.... As the founding father of my country's economics rise once said, 不管黑貓白貓 捉到老鼠就是好貓. I'll leave it at that.
 

asif iqbal

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Yes, the Muslim World is in fact the youngest major civilization in the world. Now I think about it, this is actually quite incredible. On a civilizational level, The Muslim World is hibernating. But I do see a great revival of the Muslim World in the coming centuries. To be honest, even today, the Muslim World has incredible social advancements and achievements that is simply unmatched by any other civilization. For example, where do you actually see another major civilization which can organically integrate all major races (East and SE Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans, and Europeans) into one civilization, and none of them out numbers everyone else by a large shot. This is already unfathomable in other civilizations.
well when Islam was 400 years old and not 1400 years old it was more advanced than it is now

by that time it had already reached Spain to Indonesia and everything in between

and the lead world in chemistry, Alchemy, Physics, botany, and 100 other things

anyway back to Z8L it’s really a nice helo
 

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