Yak-38!??


Knarfo

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MIGleader said:
wellm the argentinaian pilots wern't very well trained for a2a, just to fire exocets.
Exocets were only launched by Super etendards of argentine had only a handful.
The argentineswere operating at the very limit of their combat radius and they could not spend any time or fuel on a2a combat. The Superetendard is not a manouverable aircraft and it would have been useless to try and engage sea harriers. The majority of agentine sorties were flown by skyhawks dropping regular iron bombs. These pilots were described by the english as very brave and skilled. The argentine mirages were not succesful and frequently launched their a2a missiles outside parameters. But again they were operating at the edge of their combat radius and did not have time spend in the combat zone. The Argentines were also completly without help from and ground based radars and fighter controllers.
 

Knarfo

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Re: Yak-36!??

MadMax said:
do you mean yak 38? the yak 141 freestyle is the a later one but its was only built in limited numbers as a prototype later it became the basis for the F 35 jsf in fact lockheed martin worked with yakolev to design the F 35
The yak-141 is not the basis for the f35. However yakovlev (or the engine bureau) assisted in the design of the swiveling engine nozzle of the STVOL version of the F35
 

Gollevainen

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Welcome Knarfo to our new forum...

The Sea Harriers used by the FAA during the Falklands war were equipped with the Blue fox radar and they were armed with AIM9L which was the newest available sidewinder at that time. The Blue vixen is the one used in the FA MK2. The RAF harriers were GR 3.
thanks for correctin my post. During the Falkland's war RAF harriers where also operated from the Hermes and Invincible (and from the auxialliry decks, like Atlantic Voyager) and afterwards it become a standart that RAFs harriers where deployded for ground attack role...
 

Lavi

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If there is one thing one should NOT do when being in a fight with a Harrier it is to try to outturn it. The Harrier is one of the most manouvarable jets in service in any air arm today. It still is a very fine fighter (FA.2) and a great CAS-machine (AV-8B). The Yak-38 was inferior in more or less every aspect, especially against the Sea Harrier. The Sea Harrier also showed its strength when fighting of Argentinian Mirages and Daggers in the Falklands War.

A modern Sea Harrier is not much older than many other aircrafts in service today, basic airframes live very long, although more or less everything else on aircrafts (engines, avionics, weapons...) are changed.

Anyone has any sources on the Yak/JSF cooperation or the high accident rates for the Harrier?
 

Knarfo

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Lavi said:
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Anyone has any sources on the Yak/JSF cooperation or the high accident rates for the Harrier?
I made a brief search on the web and could not find any quote of the nozzle being designed with the help of Yak. Just statements like...patterned on the yak nozzled .... or ....inspired by.. I thought I had a foggy recollection of an article in air international where it said that Yak had participated is some capacity. Sorry for my likely brain fart....
 

Knarfo

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Knarfo said:
I thought I had a foggy recollection of an article in air international where it said that Yak had participated is some capacity. Sorry for my likely brain fart....

Ok...maybe my fart was not so smelly after all..
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Lavi

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Thanks, this was new to me, I had missed that the F-35 uses the swiveling rear exhaust method.
 

sumdud

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It still is a very fine fighter (FA.2)
What AA missiles can the Harrier carry? The main AAM they used are the AIM-9s, which I don't find appealing. And I don't think it havin a big enough nose to house a good enough radar. One version of the Harrier carries the AIM-120, but it wasn't the FA-2, was it?

If you mean dogfighting, no doubt, but it isn't all.
 

MadMax

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the FA2 has a larger nose radome now, the AIM 9 and AIM 120 are its primary missles although it can be used with some european missles i think as well. Ill posty a pic of the new radome

new radome
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the new blue vixon radar in the FA2 is considered very good
 
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Knarfo

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MadMax said:
the FA2 has a larger nose radome now, the AIM 9 and AIM 120 are its primary missles although it can be used with some european missles i think as well. Ill posty a pic of the new radome

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the new blue vixon radar in the FA2 is considered very good
Some american harrier 2s have now been fitted with apg-65 radar, i.e. the same radar as FA-18A/B. IIRC also the spanish harrier and italian harrier 2 have radar.
These are also amraam capable.
The european missile you are talking about is probably the british asraam which has entered service on RAF GR7.
 

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