Where do the Members of SDF stand on the issue of the War in the Ukraine?


Where do you stand on the War in the Ukraine


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W20

Junior Member
Registered Member
On the issue of the war (2008-2014-) between USA and Russia taking place in Ukraine ... My point of view as an inhabitant of Europe is as follows:

(1) Tomas de Torquemada ...

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... was a fucking aficionado, an amateur ... The chairman of the foreign affairs committee of the parliament of Finland (which is not part of NATO) was forced to resign over a sentence, a simple, peaceful and reasonable sentence that said "maybe someone, for example Macron, should say that Ukraine should not be part of NATO."

That is to say: there is no trace of freedom of thought and expression, of course it is allowed to vent in a village tavern; but no European public official is allowed to deviate from the script dictated by London and Washington.

(2) If the Russian government had asked for 900 billion Euros and half of the women of Western Europe then, as you understand, the price was perhaps a bit high. But it turns out that what they were asking for was fair, reasonable and beneficial to all ... except for the fanatics in London and their heirs in Washington "inside the Beltway".

The so-called Chancellor of supposedly Germany, and Ursula and Josep Borrell and the rest of the rag dolls who claim to be our representatives will never explain to us why it was so terrible to listen to, understand and concede Russia's reasonable demand.
 

Phead128

Senior Member
If Russia does not go to war Finland over NATO formal accession (exceeding Ukraine's aspirational of NATO), then it would just prove it's more about sphere of influence over former Soviet/Tsarist territory than actual NATO membership per se. If Finland gets a free pass, then the Ukraine war is really about restoring sphere of influence and cementing Putin The Great, gatherer of lost territories, as his long-standing legacy.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
If Russia does not go to war Finland over NATO formal accession (exceeding Ukraine's aspirational of NATO), then it would just prove it's more about sphere of influence over former Soviet/Tsarist territory than actual NATO membership per se. If Finland gets a free pass, then the Ukraine war is really about restoring sphere of influence and cementing Putin The Great, gatherer of lost territories, as his long-standing legacy.
Except Finland used to be part of the Russian Empire.....
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
What's with so many former Russian colonies trying to get into NATO. Darn brainwashed Western stooges.
Don't think those tsars treated their new territory very well. Once they got their independence, all wanted it to stay independent. No one wants to be exploited.

If you think about it, Russia is the only European country that kept their imperial spoils during the age of colonization (Siberia and far east). It just happens their expansions are into fairly empty territories in the far north where there is low population and is physically attached to Russia proper (European part). The English, French, Spanish and Portuguese all lost their colonies because they are across oceans.
 

pmc

Junior Member
Registered Member
If Russia does not go to war Finland over NATO formal accession (exceeding Ukraine's aspirational of NATO), then it would just prove it's more about sphere of influence over former Soviet/Tsarist territory than actual NATO membership per se. If Finland gets a free pass, then the Ukraine war is really about restoring sphere of influence and cementing Putin The Great, gatherer of lost territories, as his long-standing legacy.
you really need to follow events prior it. Ukraine is not Europe let alone Finland which is basket case. UKraine is far more important than Europe which will be industrial waste land with dysfunctional demographics. EU is now willing to pay the price in trillions.
Sign of wealthy and educated nation is when attract farmers. there is difference between farm worker and farmer owner.
this was in 2018. what do you think climate change and water resources with melting of ice is creating now?
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Addressing the Du Toits at his “Motherland” dairy farm in Kosyakovo, about 100km southeast of Moscow, general director Mikhail Baranov told the father and son: “You can be sure of one thing. You won’t find liberalism here, but family values instead.”


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Yommie

New Member
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If Russia does not go to war Finland over NATO formal accession (exceeding Ukraine's aspirational of NATO), then it would just prove it's more about sphere of influence over former Soviet/Tsarist territory than actual NATO membership per se. If Finland gets a free pass, then the Ukraine war is really about restoring sphere of influence and cementing Putin The Great, gatherer of lost territories, as his long-standing legacy.

Finland is not a threat to Russia. Finnish is an Uralic language. Russian is mainly Uralic. Moskva is an Uralic word. Finland only has a few million people and Finland is de facto a NATO country. They use F-18.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
What's with so many former Russian colonies trying to get into NATO. Darn brainwashed Western stooges.
Why do you think Russia is a special case? Look around China, NK flirted with USSR, SK loved USA, Vietnam fought China for USSR and now is flirting with USA, Taiwan (not a colony but ethnically Chinese) would have joined Asian NATO in a eye blink if not for the threat from mainland China.

We can also look into the history further back in time and find even more examples everywhere in the world. In Europe around 1700 and 1800, the back and forth siding of countries between big powers like France, Austria, Russia and Britain.

Most people choose the strong and supposedly winning side at the junction of history. It is always like that. It has nothing to do with how one behaves and how one is treated.
 

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