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manqiangrexue

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Im not going to make excuses for such tragedys. By the same token, everyday heaps of minorities get stopped and spoken to for a variety of offenses without such outcomes.

The main reason for why I left the police force because of disillusionment and we were slowly being disempowered.I hated having to tell people who have been burgled that we don't have the resources to investigate, despite the fact the burglar was caught on home security tape and easily identifiable and then offer the services of a counselor. The aggrieved doest not want a shoulder to cry on. She wants her TV, Sound system /laptop back.
People can escape conviction for assaulting police as well as members.of society on the grounds they want to be a lawyer, an international media star, a sportsperson etc, and a conviction would prevent that from happening.
LOL What's wrong with the police nowadays? To generally law-abiding citizens who commit (or appear to commit) a small infraction, they are overbearing and show a lust for aggression. Jaywalk? Litter? One wrong move and you could end up with 5 cops on top of you because you made some hand gesture that "threatened" one of them or said something they thought was "snarky." But to people who make careers out of going against law enforcement (such as burglars), the police claim to be under-powered and unable to help. True, when my mother's house was burglarized, the police took 4 hours to come and when they did, they simply took more of her time by asking questions and writing reports. She never saw any of her stuff back nor did they ever give her an update or indication that they had put any effort into the "case." My mom says that there was basically no benefit at all to reporting it; rather it wasted more of her time.

To me, the perfect police force would be exactly the opposite: kind and compassionate when dealing with small issues and positive, contributing members of society but tough and competent against the real criminals and threats. As things are now, if someone were to ask me if I'd rather walk down a street infested with gang members or police, I'd have to think about it and decide depending on how dangerous that gang is known to be...
 
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B.I.B.

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LOL What's wrong with the police nowadays? To generally law-abiding citizens who commit (or appear to commit) a small infraction, they are overbearing and show a lust for aggression. Jaywalk? Litter? One wrong move and you could end up with 5 cops on top of you because you made some hand gesture that "threatened" one of them or said something they thought was "snarky." But to people who make careers out of going against law enforcement (such as burglars), the police claim to be under-powered and unable to help. True, when my mother's house was burglarized, the police took 4 hours to come and when they did, they simply took more of her time by asking questions and writing reports. She never saw any of her stuff back nor did they ever give her an update or indication that they had put any effort into the "case." My mom says that there was basically no benefit at all to reporting it; rather it wasted more of her time.

To me, the perfect police force would be exactly the opposite: kind and compassionate when dealing with small issues and positive, contributing members of society but tough and competent against the real criminals and threats. As things are now, if someone were to ask me if I'd rather walk down a street infested with gang members or police, I'd have to think about it and decide depending on how dangerous that gang is known to be...

Thats the USA for you.Maybe Sydney too
 

delft

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OT better still, buy them a greyhound bus ticket. I don't think this is a stupid idea as it may seem. While driving around Canada I got passed by a truck carrying what looked like a new train carriage
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A train carriage should go by rail but a metro or tram carriage often goes by road. But locomotives used in the tunnel between England and France were built in Yorkshire and taken by road to Kent. There the problem is that the loading gauge was not standardized after the several railway companies were united in British Rail long ago.
 

broadsword

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Legal rights to note, so no fear of flying.


United Airlines Dragging Passenger Off Plane Was Illegal, Says Lawyer — Here's Why
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when it forcibly removed a passenger from a Louisville-bound flight, it also acted illegally, according to attorney Brian Mahany of Wisconsin-based Mahany Law.

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physically removing a bloodied and screaming passenger from a flight by dragging him by his arms down the aisle of the plane. The company said it needed to make room for four of its employees on the flight and had randomly selected the man (along with three other passengers) after nobody volunteered to deplane.

“It’s illegal,” Mahany,
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with Bank of America in 2015 and specializes in consumer protection, told International Business Times in an interview Wednesday. “You can’t remove, under the current rules, a passenger once they’re seated on the aircraft. You can deny them entry if you’re overbooked, but once they’re on the aircraft, it’s a completely different set of rules.”

United, like all airlines, has protocol in place for overbooking incidents, said Mahany. Under
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, the airline lays out its responsibilities in dealing with an overbooked flight, but the rule deals only with passengers who have not yet boarded the plane.

Per these rules, the company would have had to deny entry to the passenger before, not after, he boarded the plane. In order to require someone to leave the plane who is already seated, Mahany said, they would need to provide a lawful reason.

“If they’re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they’re drunk, if they’re violent, you can remove them,” he said. “If they don’t turn off their cell phone when they’re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won’t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, ‘Hey, we’ve overbooked, get off the plane,’ that wouldn’t be a lawful instruction.”

LawNewz, a website run by legal correspondent Dan Abrams,
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when it forced the passenger to de-plane. The Department of Transportation's Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings said in a statement Tuesday that it had begun reviewing what happened on the flight.

“The Department remains committed to ensuring that airlines comply with consumer protection regulations and will not speculate during the review process on this matter,” it said, explaining that it would determine whether or not the airline complied with the DOT's "oversales rule."

The statement noted that “it is legal for airlines to involuntarily bump passengers when there are not enough volunteers” and that “it is the airline’s responsibility to determine its own fair boarding priorities.” It also explained that the airline would have to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and detailing how the airline decided who was bumped, and that "the Department mandates compensation and other protections for passengers who have confirmed reserved space on a flight." The Department of Justice also said it was reviewing the incident.

The United flight was not an “overbooking” incident in the technical sense.

“The problem was caused by United wanting to add four of their own crew members at the last minute,” said Mahany. “In the grand scheme of things, that’s not what made this illegal, although it certainly makes it less clear. What makes it illegal is that they allowed the passenger to board.”

Citing the newest apology from CEO Oscar Munoz, Mahany said the airline likely only realized they were in hot water legally days later.

“The newest apology says, 'We will never remove a paying passenger again.' Newsflash: they can’t,” he said. “I think they realize today, three days later, that legally, they couldn’t do what they did.”

The situation could have been averted had United personnel been better trained — and had more control, Mahany said. “The line employees aren’t empowered to do anything, and the cops are always going to listen to the flight crew. If the pilot says a person has to get off, they’re going to take them off.”

It’s unclear what legal avenue the passenger will choose to pursue against the company or what the letter of the law may prescribe — but with the damaging video still making the viral rounds, the aviation giant is unlikely to find much sympathy from a jury.
 

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Here's more evidence that it was not overbooking. They had no procedure for passengers that were bumped-off from overbooking to return their luggage. Maybe a passenger deserves a double beating after they were kicked off a flight they paid for to then be belligerent after they didn't have their luggage returned immediately.
 

AssassinsMace

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And interesting question comes to my mind; how much does UA need to pay to get the wound healed?

Figuratively... the one thing on United's side is they're the largest US airline. Even the passenger's when asked if they would ever fly United again after what they experienced said, "If there wasn't an alternative..." US airlines are paying less for pilots which is what accounted for some crashes due to lack of experience of new pilots okay with what they're getting paid and probably indirectly played a role here. Demand is larger than supply.

Literally... I read that Dao will probably get seven figures from United alone in a settlement. That doesn't count what the Chicago Police Department has to pay.
 

SteelBird

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Figuratively... the one thing on United's side is they're the largest US airline. Even the passenger's when asked if they would ever fly United again after what they experienced said, "If there wasn't an alternative..." US airlines are paying less for pilots which is what accounted for some crashes due to lack of experience of new pilots okay with what they're getting paid and probably indirectly played a role here. Demand is larger than supply.

Literally... I read that Dao will probably get seven figures from United alone in a settlement. That doesn't count what the Chicago Police Department has to pay.
seven figures? you mean million? what is the first digit, 1 or 9? By the Vietnamese standard, they'd say it's worth. If UA like it, they can do that once again!

However, after Dao gets paid, he might be satisfied but the majority might not. What more does UA need to do or pay to calm the public anger?
 

manqiangrexue

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seven figures? you mean million? what is the first digit, 1 or 9? By the Vietnamese standard, they'd say it's worth. If UA like it, they can do that once again!

However, after Dao gets paid, he might be satisfied but the majority might not. What more does UA need to do or pay to calm the public anger?
I don't imagine that there is anything they can say that would bring people back. No grovelling apologies, no promises, no catchy advertisement mottoes would do it, because we all know from Oscar Munoz's 24 hour 180 spin, that they're not sincere.

But money talks. Dip into their earnings, offer cheap flights until the whole thing blows over and then slowly, very slowly creep their prices back up to normal, and there'll be some pain but they'll recover surely. I discussed this with my friend, who is outraged at the incident but he's taking his family of 4 on a vacation in China this summer, and he admits that if he can save a grand in total, he's still gonna fly United. I imagine a lot of people have standards set below that.
 

B.I.B.

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Navy ordered to pay compensation for causing sailor's smoking habit


What's happened to personal responsibility? Sure he was in an environment where quite a few people smoked, but no one made him smoke.
Soon you will be getting all the soldiers that served in Vietnam sue the army for getting hooked on heroin or marijuana.

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