Weakness of the PLAN

I personally do not believe that Normandy is an appropriate analogy to an invasion by the PLA on Taiwan. The reason is that Taiwan doesn't have the strategic depth Nazi German had at the time, also, you're discounting the greatly decreased reaction time of both sides due to advances in technology. Such a change would favor numerical superiority. You can argue that the Taiwanese C4I is superior, but there are two problems

1) Taiwan's military exercises have uncovered some serious flows in C2 capabilities

2) The supposed advance of Taiwanese C4I structure does not outweigh Chinese numerical advantage

sumdud said:

When was China getting Yakhonts for their Sovs?
The Kidds aren't kidding. The strait is narrow and you don't need much.

The YJ-12 has potential and since the USN and ROCN still uses Harpoons, C-801s and 2s aren't out of the question.

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look it up. every one knows the 956ems will feature yahkont. it will give an increased power to thge plan.;

look it up. every one knows the 956ems will feature yahkont. it will give an increased power to thge plan.;

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If so, please explain why all the images showing the new Sovromenyes building for china features launchers for Moskit SSM?

well, i have seen only one pic of so, and the launcher's modifications may have been too inconspicous to notuice. the misssles have a very similar design.

Like lots of things concerning chinese military, reports about new sovermennies are somewhat conflicting. I've seen articles claiming they would carry yakhonts, yes, but i've also seen many more articles saying they will instead carry modified moskits.

<Kanwa News July 19, 2003> KANWA has confirmed more details about 956EM DDG.

As for the ship-to-ship missile, earlier report said it was the 3M80E with a range of more than 120km. A a variety of sources confirmed to KANWA that 956EM actually employed 3M80MBE, an upgraded version of 3M80E specifically developed for China. It is said that China paid for the designing and upgrading projects. The designer of the missile claims that the maximum range of this missile is up to 200 km, which is what China demanded and eventually accepted. This indicates that the anti-ship attack capability of 956EM is far greater than what the West earlier expected.

The two 956EM DDGs currently being built for the Chinese navy have undergone a series of modifications in the air defense and anti-ship weapon systems. In general, 956EM no longer adopts the 130mm naval gun in the rear. Instead, it is now outfitted with two Kashtan ADGMSs. In addition, a target acquisition radar has been newly installed on the vessel specifically for Kashtan. <Kanwa Moscow>

the yahkont is a modified moskit. 200 km is good,but it seems the russinas cant do the 300 km range of the yj-85. are the new sovs hving new radar and air defence missles?

Gollevainen said:

If so, please explain why all the images showing the new Sovromenyes building for china features launchers for Moskit SSM?

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You must be mistaken. You must've seen the 956Es. 956Es use Moskit (Sunburn), while 956EMs use Yakhont.

MIGleader said:

the yahkont is a modified moskit. 200 km is good,but it seems the russinas cant do the 300 km range of the yj-85. are the new sovs hving new radar and air defence missles?

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hehehe, maybe the Russians will provide more, now that they have seen YJ-83 with their own eyes. I think they might get it upgraded to SA-N-12 from 7? Even 052B has SA-N-12.

wait, thew sa-n-12 is the grizzly and the sa-n-7 is gadfly right? the old sovs already have the grizzly like the 52b's.

I have seen pics 8same ones that you, propaply) from Sovs. building for china and all of them field those big quadruple cannisters for Moskit.
Now yakhont is much more smaller missile than moskit and it isent desingned directly from moskit...

This from bhramos which is practically an improved yakhont for India.
Those who have wider imagination, can compare the size of the possible yakhont launchers and moskit launchers to the old styx launchers seen also in the pic...

Now, those who claim that 956EMs should field yakhont, can you provide some source that claim so or is it just your own asumptions?