Water war

Kurt

Junior Member
Sounds like you expect China to go on a rampage and conquer the world. Lake Baikal is on the southern Russian fringe and Mongolia is hardly a challenge to get there with armed forces and secure the source. Siberia is the most important treshold to supply China in any emergency cases. If you don't get resources from Siberia it doesn't matter whether you have the water to irrigate your farms or not, the Chinese industry would be screwed and China would have to concede defeat in such a constellation of conflict because the Chinese naval access is even easier to block by Russia as well as other possible parties of conflict.
China sure has water and is a very densely settled part of the world with much industry. Lake Baikal has much less sources for pollution, especially in comparison to its size. I understand that a minimum supply of drinking water should be possible with local sources because all connections can fall prey to troubles. But there's hardly a reason not to use the cheaply clean waters from Siberia to extend Chinese agriculture that has a tremendous output per hectare. Additionally all sources within China could as well be employed for that purpose in order to increase the wealth and food safety. Food safety especially means taking care of ecological dangers and avoiding food production in regions that have been contaminated by industry and need to be cleaned to be safe again. Otherwise China will pay a terrible price of handicapped children being born. Other than planning a future war on Russia there's no reason against using water from Lake Baikal to improve the Chinese living standard and economic security and while it's pretty sure that Russia has no intention of war and conquest directed against China, their future best customer and source of wealth.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
I measured the lake Baikal to to the Chinese border, the closest is ~670 km, so in general should be a lot easier and cheaper than south-north water diversion project. It is all about $$, with good offer from China, I am sure Russia would do that
 

Kurt

Junior Member
In between is the Gobi Desert with lots of loess and little water that can be more profitable than Africa in supplying China with things to eat. The ongoing project of the Great Green Wall of China would tremendously profit from such a project, giving China even more cutting edge know-how in reclaiming deserted land and keeping it under cultivation. That's a most priceless knowledge because mankind will need it to feed our growing numbers and would directly contribute skill to the Great Green Wall project of the African Union.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
When the Japanese, conquered Malaya in 1941, they threatened to turn off the water supply to Singapore if they British did not surrender. The Brits wisely did.

The relations between China and Russian is not even like that between US and Canada.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
When the Japanese, conquered Malaya in 1941, they threatened to turn off the water supply to Singapore if they British did not surrender. The Brits wisely did.

The relations between China and Russian is not even like that between US and Canada.

Really ? never heard that ... any source ?
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Really ? never heard that ... any source ?

"All British forces in Malaya had been withdrawn to Singapore by 4 February 1942, when the first surrender demand from the Japanese was rejected. On the night of 8 February, elements of the 5, 18, and Imperial Guards Divisions successfully crossed the Johore Straits and established beachheads against the Australian 22 Brigade. The city was surrendered on 15 February 1942, after the capture of the reservoirs by the Japanese cut off the water supply."

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Kurt

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"All British forces in Malaya had been withdrawn to Singapore by 4 February 1942, when the first surrender demand from the Japanese was rejected. On the night of 8 February, elements of the 5, 18, and Imperial Guards Divisions successfully crossed the Johore Straits and established beachheads against the Australian 22 Brigade. The city was surrendered on 15 February 1942, after the capture of the reservoirs by the Japanese cut off the water supply."

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In 1560 the Spanish held a fort on Djerba for three months under Turkish siege while distilling drinking water out of seawater.
The surrender of Singapore was through an order by the supreme command in order to spare the civilians and recognizing how little effective the British army had been in the initial stages of the war and how ill prepared they were for what happened.
So the problem of the British was a lack of drinking water and the water reservoirs were a part of Singapore Island.
The suggestion to use water imported from Russia in addition to local sources would not compromise the ability to supply everyone with drinking water and the Russians have a history as reliable business partners, even through all the hot and cold times of the Cold War they never fiddled with the agreed upon amount of oil and gas transported and sold to Europe. A regional water supply from Chinese sources will fall victim to regional changes in rainfall while the northerly Lake Baikal is a very large and suitable storage for water to face all continguencies.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
In 1560 the Spanish held a fort on Djerba for three months under Turkish siege while distilling drinking water out of seawater.
The surrender of Singapore was through an order by the supreme command in order to spare the civilians and recognizing how little effective the British army had been in the initial stages of the war and how ill prepared they were for what happened.
So the problem of the British was a lack of drinking water and the water reservoirs were a part of Singapore Island.
The suggestion to use water imported from Russia in addition to local sources would not compromise the ability to supply everyone with drinking water and the Russians have a history as reliable business partners, even through all the hot and cold times of the Cold War they never fiddled with the agreed upon amount of oil and gas transported and sold to Europe. A regional water supply from Chinese sources will fall victim to regional changes in rainfall while the northerly Lake Baikal is a very large and suitable storage for water to face all continguencies.

In the 60's the Russian engineers departed for home after quarrels between the two nations and China had to complete projects on their own.

And you can"t protect foreign water sources from terrorist attacks. Or Invaders.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
In the 60's the Russian engineers departed for home after quarrels between the two nations and China had to complete projects on their own.

And you can"t protect foreign water sources from terrorist attacks. Or Invaders.

hmmmm .. at that time China was very weak and GDP comparison between China and USSR like 1 :20 .. but now likely would be the other way around
 
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