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antiterror13

Brigadier
Lake Baikal holds roughly 20% of the world's unfrozen surface fresh water. It would be much more sense for China just to buy water from Russia (from lake Baikal) than desalinating sea water. I'd imagine it would be much cheaper, perhaps $4 for 1,000 m3. I think it would be win-win situation.

Lake Baikal holds about 23,615.39 km3 or 23.6 x 10^12 m3. If China buy only 0.5% of the water/year, it would be roughly 240 Billion m3 and Russia would get $1B per year. Even the volume would be 5x more than giant south-north water diversion project.

Imagine from this extra water, China' grain production would increase to 700 M ton a year.

I believe it would be easier and cheaper than south-north water diversion project. And the environment impact of taking 0.5% lake Baikal water would be very minimal.

Anyway Lake Baikal was part of Mongolia/China in the past

Just pure hypothetically discussion ... nothing more
 
broadsword

broadsword

Brigadier
I'm glad that China has never such a proposal and hope they never will. I have come across any politician or academic who suggests as such.
Thank goodness.
 
Kurt

Kurt

Junior Member
t2contra said:
I'm glad that China has never such a proposal and hope they never will. I have come across any politician or academic who suggests as such.
Thank goodness.
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That's wrong. Have you looked at the projects for civilian use of nuclear bombs? One of the uses was building infrastructure for irrigation projects in the Soviet Union to use the plenty of water in Siberia in order to water the deserts to the south of this rich land. As a result northern Kazakhstan has been resulted and the Kazakh Steppe has a new economy with lots of farms.
Using Lake Baikal to water the loess of Gobi and northern China would be a brilliant idea.
However, it would be a stupid idea to try to use force in order to get the water because I bet that China would not be able to defend the pipeline against a local enemy.

Lake Baikal was never Chinese in the sense that it belonged to the Chinese Empire. It was on the northern fringe of the Mongolian Empire. If China decides to lay claim on all formerly Mongolian lands they can just as well hand the government over to the US ambassador because such an ambitious attempt of conquest would destroy this old nation.
 
solarz

solarz

Brigadier
China has plenty of sources of freshwater right within its borders. The problem is in the transportation.
 
broadsword

broadsword

Brigadier
Kurt said:
That's wrong. Have you looked at the projects for civilian use of nuclear bombs? One of the uses was building infrastructure for irrigation projects in the Soviet Union to use the plenty of water in Siberia in order to water the deserts to the south of this rich land. As a result northern Kazakhstan has been resulted and the Kazakh Steppe has a new economy with lots of farms.
Using Lake Baikal to water the loess of Gobi and northern China would be a brilliant idea.
However, it would be a stupid idea to try to use force in order to get the water because I bet that China would not be able to defend the pipeline against a local enemy.

Lake Baikal was never Chinese in the sense that it belonged to the Chinese Empire. It was on the northern fringe of the Mongolian Empire. If China decides to lay claim on all formerly Mongolian lands they can just as well hand the government over to the US ambassador because such an ambitious attempt of conquest would destroy this old nation.
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It's because it's not a good idea to buy a large amount of water from another country.

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Kurt said:
That's wrong. Have you looked at the projects for civilian use of nuclear bombs? One of the uses was building infrastructure for irrigation projects in the Soviet Union to use the plenty of water in Siberia in order to water the deserts to the south of this rich land. As a result northern Kazakhstan has been resulted and the Kazakh Steppe has a new economy with lots of farms.
Using Lake Baikal to water the loess of Gobi and northern China would be a brilliant idea.
However, it would be a stupid idea to try to use force in order to get the water because I bet that China would not be able to defend the pipeline against a local enemy.

Lake Baikal was never Chinese in the sense that it belonged to the Chinese Empire. It was on the northern fringe of the Mongolian Empire. If China decides to lay claim on all formerly Mongolian lands they can just as well hand the government over to the US ambassador because such an ambitious attempt of conquest would destroy this old nation.
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It's because it's not a good idea to buy a large amount of water from another country.
 
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antiterror13

Brigadier
t2contra said:
It's because it's not a good idea to buy a large amount of water from another country.

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It's because it's not a good idea to buy a large amount of water from another country.
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Singapore buys roughly 40% of their water from Malaysia for roughly US$0.0025 per m3 or roughly US$1 for 400 m3 water and it works since 1961 .... already over 50 years

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Kurt

Kurt

Junior Member
t2contra said:
It's because it's not a good idea to buy a large amount of water from another country.
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Don't buy water but import oil and have an export driven economy?
I don't care if China buys or doesn't buy water, but it's economically more efficient to have an economy that does run interconnected where profitable with suitable means to protect the connections. China can't have enough water and Lake Baikal is obviously a very good choice, but I don't care if you want to use other water resources within China. It's your money to waste.
 
solarz

solarz

Brigadier
Kurt said:
Don't buy water but import oil and have an export driven economy?
I don't care if China buys or doesn't buy water, but it's economically more efficient to have an economy that does run interconnected where profitable with suitable means to protect the connections. China can't have enough water and Lake Baikal is obviously a very good choice, but I don't care if you want to use other water resources within China. It's your money to waste.
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On what basis do you claim that Lake Baikal water is somehow more cost efficient to transport than water from the Yang-tze or the Yellow River?

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broadsword

broadsword

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Kurt said:
Don't buy water but import oil and have an export driven economy?
I don't care if China buys or doesn't buy water, but it's economically more efficient to have an economy that does run interconnected where profitable with suitable means to protect the connections. China can't have enough water and Lake Baikal is obviously a very good choice, but I don't care if you want to use other water resources within China. It's your money to waste.
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You can survive without oil but you can't without water. China cares.
 
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