USN fearful of PLAN subs

sumdud said:

Would America really do that? Follow that rule? It's gonna go around the rules.
LOL, good one. The fact is, most don't know anything, some hates it because they prefer the US environment. Some are loyal to where they are born.(And I want no any arguement over this, and nothing direct between the two of you.) I thought the Backfire carried more. The Bear was never too good for the bomber role, though.
When'd China get a sub-launched ASM to fly 200km? Only the C-801Q is here and it goes to 42km.......

PS:
Taiwan's government had long been corrupted. Did you know about Lee? He ruined the government, caused fights, and now Chen is better, but still corrupted.

BrotherofSnake, can you stop posting one-liners.

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china makes the rules when you fight near taiwan. it can move its forces more quickly than the Us since they are already there. the can see where a cvbg will go by satelite.

42 km for c-801 is longer than the range of any anti sub weapon.

Gollevainen said:

well thats why almoust all soviet anti-ship missiles where big...so that nuclear warhead could be installed...

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I'd like to think that the PRC loves her people enough to know that using nukes against the US is a very, very.... very poor idea.

And sure, the PRC is closer to Taiwan... but come on, man. That's the Million Man Swim waiting to happen. The PLA can't make landfall with enough troops to make an impressive difference before the US could get there.

I would honestly be interested in watching the PRC attempt to invade Taiwan. This is me speaking, not the sailor me. Going to war sucks and all, but watching the tactics of an organization is something that interests me.

Besides launching a lot of missiles... the PRC cannot defeat Taiwan, and cannot make the landing before US involvement completely negates the opportunity.

MIGleader said:

china makes the rules when you fight near taiwan. it can move its forces more quickly than the Us since they are already there. the can see where a cvbg will go by satelite.

42 km for c-801 is longer than the range of any anti sub weapon.

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How do you propose China retains the initiative against a highly mobile enemy, when its route of attack (invasion of Taiwan) is known?

LAMPS III helo has longer range the C-801 for ASW prosecution and weapons delivery.

Neko said:

The primary focus of any Navy designed to defeat a US incursion is the destruction of our carriers. The sheer amount of damage that it takes to destroy a carrier is so massive that it could take all the ordinance of two 636 (Yes, even the ones carrying SS-N-27) to take down a single carrier.

Putting it out of the fight takes considerably less, but to remove it completely? They are so completely compartmented and defended that getting to it to hit is is tough to begin with. Once you get a hit, you had better blow several gaping holes in the hull *and* split the keel if you want any hope of a chance to actually sink the sucker.

And if you decide to go after a CVBG... get the Kitty Hawk first. We're about to decommission her any way.

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It's not necessary to sink a carrier to mission-kill it. You only need to damage it enough for the ship to be withdrawn from the conflict for repairs.

However, in the event if a PRC-US conflict over Taiwan, the US can park as many aircraft as it needs at air bases all over East Asia. There is no need to send the aircraft carriers too closet to the conflict area.

At present the PRC simply does not have enough influence over neighboring countries like S. Korea, Japan, Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, AUS, etc. to prevent them from siding with the US in a PRC-US conflict.

Neko said:

I'd like to think that the PRC loves her people enough to know that using nukes against the US is a very, very.... very poor idea.

And sure, the PRC is closer to Taiwan... but come on, man. That's the Million Man Swim waiting to happen. The PLA can't make landfall with enough troops to make an impressive difference before the US could get there.

I would honestly be interested in watching the PRC attempt to invade Taiwan. This is me speaking, not the sailor me. Going to war sucks and all, but watching the tactics of an organization is something that interests me.

Besides launching a lot of missiles... the PRC cannot defeat Taiwan, and cannot make the landing before US involvement completely negates the opportunity.

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I guess according to you, pla will not use the 40 IL-76MD that they will have and all the transports they will have. Seriously, Taiwanese media believe that Taiwan can last a maximum of 7 days. I think they will thank you for your faith in their army.

the million man swim is Us and taiwan bullshit propaganda. the plan is building large amounts of the yukan transports. they are also probably going to buy the russian zubr class tansports.

china does not plan to buy those 1l-76's to drop in turkistan. they will be used on taiwan.

china only only needs 10,000 marines to keep it's beachhead(which it can already manage). another few divisions will be needed to take taiwan. im sure the plan can obtain that capability in the near future.

Well, is the Klub the Chinese getting the ballistic ones, the cruising ones, or both?

Too bad the ballistic ones can only carry a torpedo.......
Then again, these missiles aren't as good as a true ballistic missile........

Yes, I am proposing to launch a BM or something that can bomb the deck instead of the carrier itself. If you can bomb a hole in the deck, you are already disabling the carrier, and if not, you have killed all the planes on top, so half od the planes are gone.

I don't know about the SM-2s going against them though...... :\

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Please, don't make me fall off the chair with the million men swim across the Strait Theory, my bottom is hurting already. :rollin

And you shouldn't anyway, you are off topic.

As for Snake, YOU JUST DID IT AGAIN.

I think this is off topic but if the U.S attack in China they will attack in the dark with B-2 because you can still see it when it is day light and its not hard to miss it, it is a large black blimp. Also can any China's airdfence like the S-3000pmu etc. Can they shoot down a stealth plane in daylight? Also does any countries got any airdefence missiles that can shoot down and detect B-2 etc. execpt the U.S.

No one can know for sure if chinese could intercept a b2 and bring it down. Including americans, which is why they probably wont fly b2s directly over china's soil before they achieve air superiority. I'd say, and i'm just guessing here, chinese would be able to detect something with their ground based radars, a broad location of a b2. problem is with targeting aircraftborn radars (not to mention ones in missiles), pretty much any targeting radar works in higher frequences which are much harder to detect a plane like b2. so basically you'd haev to get really close to the b2 to be able to lock on. Actually it'd probably be more cost effective, if possible, to just get behind b2s tail and gun it down. But again, USAAF is not likely to run such lone bomber over china deep strikes.

Azn boy said:

I think this is off topic but if the U.S attack in China they will attack in the dark with B-2 because you can still see it when it is day light and its not hard to miss it, it is a large black blimp. Also can any China's airdfence like the S-3000pmu etc. Can they shoot down a stealth plane in daylight? Also does any countries got any airdefence missiles that can shoot down and detect B-2 etc. execpt the U.S.

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If it is impossible for air defence radar to detect the B-2, fire control radar that guides the s-300 missiles will have a harder time locking on.

B-2's always fly their mission at night.