US Strike Group ordered to Gulf

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That doesn't mean much to me. Keeping that CSG there longer could tipoff the Iranians that "something was cooking". Like I noted already, even without carrier airwings, there is enough AF presence in the CENTCOM AOR + Guam, not to mention surface/submarine LCMs.
In any case, I doubt seriously that anything would fly out of Guam to attack Iran. It's a third of the way around the world from Iran. They would have to cross the entire South China Sea and then the entire Indian Ocean. Do you maybe mean Diego Garcia?

B2s would most likely fly directly out of Missouri...anything else would be much closer to the AO. Like in Bahrain, Saudi, Iraq, Afghanistan or Diego Garcia. Funny how that worked out, huh? Military bases and equipment on all sides of Iran.

But I do not believe anything is imminent...even with the AF assets in place, you would see at least two CSG in the INdian Ocean, and maybe three IMHO.
 

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In any case, I doubt seriously that anything would fly out of Guam to attack Iran. It's a third of the way around the world from Iran. They would have to cross the entire South China Sea and then the entire Indian Ocean. Do you maybe mean Diego Garcia?
But I do not believe anything is imminent...even with the AF assets in place, you would see at least two CSG in the INdian Ocean, and maybe three IMHO.
If not B-2/& B-1s, then B-52s with ALCMs out of Guam, and yes, from Diego Garcia too; besides a carrier can attack Iran from the Red Sea too via the Saudi airspace. I don't think it's imminent, but all indications are that at some point it may come to this. How it may proceed? It will likely be a joint operation involving SF, AF & Navy striking numerous targets across Iran in an attempt to affect the regime change. Short of that the result will be the opposite of the objective to change the regime and set back their nuclear capabilities, as an article in my previous post explained.

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Missile Defense Briefing Report No. 212, November 10, 2006
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, DC
Editor: Ilan Berman

IRAN’S NEWEST EXPORT
Is the Islamic Republic of Iran poised to become a major missile proliferator? In comments carried by Reuters (November 6), Yahya Rahim Safavi, commander of Iran’s elite clerical army, the Pasdaran, has disclosed that Tehran has “no prohibitions or reservations” about providing its missile systems to “neighboring and friendly countries.” Safavi’s remarks were made as part of a televised interview with Al-Alam television regarding the recent military maneuvers held by the Pasdaran in the Persian Gulf – exercises that included test launches of several of the regime’s ballistic missiles. Other regime officials have been even more emphatic; “Tehran also considers this as its duty to help friendly countries which are exposed to invasion of the Zionist regime,” Iranian Ambassador to Lebanon Mohammad Reza Sheibani has told reporters in a thinly-veiled reference to Iranian arms shipments to the Hezbollah terrorist organization for use against Israel.
Missiles, however, are not Iran’s only strategic asset. “The revolutionary guards have several thousand suicidal persons, suicidal members, who have had eight years of military experience in the war,” Safavi has said. “These suicidal persons are ready to undertake suicidal operations on a high level.”
 
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Ahemmmm..These stories kinda puts the kibosh on any attack on Iran. CVW-1is due to fly off the Enterprise today and tomorrow. Kinda hard to strike Iran from Oceana VA. As for the Kitty Hawk she was recently in Sasebo Japan.

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Carrier Air Wing 1 Squadrons Return to Norfolk, Oceana
Story Number: NNS061115-16
Release Date: 11/15/2006 5:08:00 PM

From Commander, Naval Air Force, U.S. Atlantic Fleet Public Affairs

NORFOLK, Va. (NNS) -- Four squadrons from Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1 will return to their home bases at Naval Air Station (NAS) Oceana and Norfolk Naval Station, Chambers Field, Nov. 16 and 17 following a seven-month deployment aboard USS Enterprise (CVN 65).

Arriving at NAS Oceana will be the “Checkmates” of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 211, flying the F/A-18F Super Hornet, and the “Knighthawks” of VFA-136 and their F/A-18C Hornets.

Carrier Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 123, the “Screwtops,” operating E-2C Hawkeye aircraft, and the “Rawhides” of Fleet Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 40, Detachment 2, flying the C-2A Greyhound, or COD, delivering cargo, mail, and passengers to the ship, will arrive at Chambers Field.

During their deployment, CVW-1 aircraft delivered 65,000 pounds of ordnance, including 137 precision weapons, to provide unprecedented support of Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) and Operation Iraqi Freedom. They completed more than 8,300 sorties, of which 2,186 were combat missions, while flying more than 22,500 hours and making 6,916 day and night arrested landings.

The air wing’s aircraft provided the first combat air support to OEF from an aircraft carrier in more than three years and was the first east coast air wing to operate in the Western Pacific in 18 years.
 

BLUEJACKET

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Wednesday November 22, 7:16 AM
US could bomb Iran nuclear sites in 2007: analysts

President George W. Bush could choose military action over diplomacy and bomb Iran's nuclear facilities next year, political analysts in Washington agree.
"I think he is going to do it," John Pike, director of Globalsecurity.org, a military issues think tank, told AFP.
"They are going to bomb WMD facilities next summer," he added, referring to nuclear facilities Iran says are for peaceful uses and Washington insists are really intended to make nuclear bombs, or weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
"It would be a limited military action to destroy their WMD capabilities" added the analyst, believing a US military invasion of Iran is not on the table.
US journalist Seymour Hersh also said at the weekend that White House hawks led by Vice President Dick Cheney were intent on attacking Iran with or without the approval of the US Congress, both houses of which switch from Republican to Democratic control in January after the November 7 legislative elections.
The New Yorker weekly published an article by Hersh saying that one month before the elections, Cheney held a meeting on Iran in which he said the military option would never be discarded.
The White House promptly issued a statement saying the article was "riddled with inaccuracies."
Joseph Cirincione, Senior Vice President for National Security and International Policy at the Center for American Progress, a Democrat-friendly think tank, also believes the US government could decide to attack Iran.
"It is not realistic but it does not mean we won't do it," he told AFP in an interview. "It is less likely after the elections but it is still very possible."
"If you look at what the administration is doing, it seems that it is going to inevitably lead us to a military conflict," he said, adding that no alternative solution was being sought, including discussions with Iran on Iraq, which could lead to talks on Iran's nuclear program and role in the region.
"Senior members of the (Bush) administration remain seized with the idea that the regime in Iran must be removed," Cirincione said.
"The nuclear program is one reason, but their deeper agenda is this belief that American military power can be used to fundamentally transform the regimes in the Middle East," he added.
With the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, hardliners in the government have lost one of their leading advocates, and his replacement, former former Central Intelligence Agency chief Robert Gates, has in the past favored direct talks with Iran, said the expert.
"But they remain within the administration at the highest level, the office of the vice president, the national security council staff, perhaps the president himself," Cirincione added.
He also accused neoconservative circles of promoting the military option against Tehran.
In a Sunday op-ed piece in the Los Angeles Times, Joshua Muarvchik, resident scholar at the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute, called for getting tough with Iran.
"We must bomb Iran," he said. "The path of diplomacy and sanctions has led nowhere ... Our options therefore are narrowed to two: we can prepare to live with a nuclear-armed Iran, or we can use force to prevent it."
Israel has also been pushing Washington to get tough on Iran.
Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh did not rule out preventive military action to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, in a recent interview with the English-language Jerusalem Post.
However, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems unperturbed. On Monday he said Israel was incapable of launching a military attack on Iran's nuclear sites and called Israeli threats "propaganda."
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Iran's defensive posturing
By Neda Bolourchi

Last week, Iran ended its third major military exercise of 2006. The stated purpose of the Great Prophet II exercises, held November 2-12, was to enhance the military's unified action capabilities.
The exercises involved air, land and naval maneuvers spread over 14 of the country's 30 provinces, but Major-General Yahya Rahim Safavi said they simultaneously focused "on the Persian Gulf and the Oman Sea". While the rhetoric surrounding the spring's Great Prophet I games aimed to boost national prestige and buoy Iran's populace, the Islamic Republic engaged in the Force of Zolfaqar and Great Prophet II games primarily to deliver an external deterrence message.
The military drills
Highly publicized in the Islamic Republic, the Great Prophet I maneuvers merely served as a show of force in the Strait of Hormuz, the Persian Gulf's only gateway and vital supply route for 20% of the world's oil supply. As analysts dismissed Tehran's claims of highly developed technology equal to or surpassing that in the West, wide consensus arose that the demonstrated weapons systems were antiquated designs of Chinese, North Korean and Russian origin that pose no serious threat.
In contrast to the exaggerated claims made in the spring to boost Iranian morale during a crisis over its nuclear program, the Zolfaqar exercises underlined the Islamic Republic's defense capabilities. As such, many exercises focused on Iran's Persian Gulf coastline. However, with the increased rhetoric from the administration of US President George W Bush since spring, the Zolfaqar exercises not only used forces from traditional units, but tested new equipment.
For example, the operational appearance of the Sa'eqeh ("Thunderbolt"), an aging F-5 Freedom Fighter enhanced with a new dual vertical stabilizer, made bombing runs. While some of Tehran's claims were undercut, the demonstrations served to convey an indigenous industrial ability to alter major control surfaces on a supersonic aircraft. Analysts note that such a native industry arose in response to imposed sanctions and may result in unknown capabilities.
In addition, Defense Minister Mostafa Najjar stated that Iran successfully test-fired a bunker-buster, the Qassem ("Messenger"). Air Force General Amir Amini followed up by stating that the Qassem is "a flying bomb and can be used as a guided long-range air-to-surface missile". While reports regarding the bunker-buster remain unconfirmed, Iran added to its defensive stable by deploying transporter erector launchers with capabilities to pose a ready-fueled missile capable of rapid-reaction power.
Although some perceived Iran's growing capabilities as aggressive in nature, Major-General Ataollah Salehi declared that the Zolfaqar exercises served to implement a "new defensive doctrine". In emphasizing "Iran's friendly approach to the neighboring states, [Iranian leaders] believe that such war games are not considered a threat to the region". Salehi went on to say what has been repeated for decades: "Any threat facing the region is caused by extra-regional enemies."
With the increasing rhetoric against the Islamic Republic and the polyvocality of such discourse, Tehran moved from Zolfaqar's perimeter defense and coordination exercises to the Great Prophet II games. This has been an attempt to solidify such defensive coordination in rapid-response fashion so as to deliver messages to domestic and international audiences.
Over the course of the games, Tehran claimed it was deploying dozens of live rockets and missiles. Included was a Shahab-2 that for the first time used a cluster-munition warhead with up to 1,400 bomblets. In addition, the first firing of the medium-range (about 1,0001,200 kilometers) Shahab-3 in a live training exercise was announced. Other ballistic and artillery rockets used were the Zolfaqar-73, the Scud B, the Fath-110, and the Zelzal.
While noting that the exercises served as a response to US exercises in the Persian Gulf, the Israelis focused on the threat potential of Iranian missiles. Uzi Rubin, former head of Israel's anti-ballistic missile program, noted to journalists that "the intensity of the military exercises was unprecedented. It was meant to make an impression - and it made an impression ... [because the Iranians] were able to launch so many missiles."
Two days later, Safavi agreed. With the Shahab-3 capable of reaching Israel, Rubin pointed out that Israel's Arrow system successfully intercepted a simulated Shahab-3 missile in a test last December and that such a system had to be taken into account.
Tehran's motivations
Safavi announced the Great Prophet II exercises on November 1, a day after the completion of the US Navy-led "Leading Edge" joint exercise that included personnel from Australia, Bahrain, France, Italy, Qatar and the United Kingdom. The US 5th Fleet defines Leading Edge as part of the Proliferation Security Initiative in "response to the growing challenge posed by the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, their delivery systems and related materials worldwide". The exercise in the Persian Gulf was the 25th since 2003 and the third in the region.
Despite claims by the US Navy that nations "are working absolutely together as a team", Iran saw the exercise as an additional tool of "propaganda and political maneuver without military value". In contrast, and given the lopsided number of participating versus observer countries in the exercises, Iran saw Leading Edge as part of the escalating dispute between the Bush administration and Iran over its nuclear program. In addition to seeking international sanctions, the US is seen as simultaneously applying pressure on Iran's trading partners, the populace, and the government.
In turn, Iranian leaders feel compelled to engage in brinkmanship with the US to avoid the appearance of weakness in domestic and international arenas. While psychological affirmation requires Tehran to counter US moves with those of its own, the Islamic Republic did conduct the Great Prophet II exercises with practical defense measures in mind.
Tehran's preparations
Iranian leaders did not expect n US frontal invasion even before the Democrats re-gained control of the US Congress and most certainly do not expect an air campaign after US citizens have demanded a course change for Iraq. Rather, the Iranians remain convinced that the United States will seek regime change through incrementally tougher sanctions imposed by the international community, fomenting ethnic and urban unrest, drawing Tehran concretely into Iraq, and possibly then conducting limited air strikes against military and/or nuclear facilities afterwards. The nomination of former Central Intelligence Agency director Robert Gates as defense secretary cements Iranian convictions regarding US tactics.
Responding to concerns regarding the effectiveness and efficiency of a military beset by divisions, the Iranians have moved to emphasize rapid deployment of various units simultaneously as a way to counter attempts at regime change.
Two factors have likely contributed to such an assessment: (1) the failure of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's army to stage a coup during the last days of prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar's government in 1979 because divisions could not enter major cities quickly and (2) Samuel P Huntington's political order theory, which is believed to be the cornerstone of US action and has caused riots in the minority provinces of Balochistan, Azerbaijan and Khuzestan over the past two years. In such a strategy, Tehran sees the US government operating from neighboring countries and either crossing the Iranian border or having co-opted Iranian dissidents in these peripheral provinces to set off bombs or cause riots.
In short, the chaos engulfing the periphery would cause the movement of millions to internal cities that would be infrastructurally unable to meet their needs. Chaos would ensue. Without order, mass mobilization would occur and thereby provide a mechanism for regime change. Despite the limited application and success of the theory, the Great Prophet II exercises convey that Tehran is not taking its control of the country for granted.
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What these 2 articles have to do with current/future USN carrier deployments? IMO as long as there is just 1 CSG in the region (as is the case for over a decade now), anything can happen. I bet that the newly minted SSGNs will also participate in combined attack on Iran!
 

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What these 2 articles have to do with current/future USN carrier deployments? IMO as long as there is just 1 CSG in the region (as is the case for over a decade now), anything can happen. I bet that the newly minted SSGNs will also participate in combined attack on Iran!

I highly doubt that the US would attempt to attack Iran with only one CSG. There would be at least two. One CSG does not have enough aircraft to supress the Iranian Air Force, strike WMD targets, escort USAF strike aircraft, supress SAMs, and possibly target the Iranian Navy as well. Of course, many of those tasks would be performed by USAF aircraft based in the UAE and Qatar, but the carrier pilots would still have to fly fighter sweeps, hit the Iranian air-defence network and probably escort deep-strike missions as well.

In the event of an attack, there would probably be 48 hours of really intense air operations, with the most high priority targets being hit first so the Iranians couldn't move stuff around-as well as air bases, SAMs and radars being hit in the first wave to prevent any embarassing hostage pilot incidents. Then the true ground bombing campaign begin targeting WMD sites and Iran's ballistic missles capability...gotta go i'll finish this later.
 
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BLUEJACKET

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I highly doubt that the US would attempt to attack Iran with only one CSG. There would be at least two. One CSG does not have enough aircraft to supress the Iranian Air Force, strike WMD targets, escort USAF strike aircraft, supress SAMs, and possibly target the Iranian Navy as well.

The attack could begin with 1 CSG, and the 2nd could join the fray later (most likely CV-63, the "911 carrier" if no others are availlable- it may take them max 7 days to get from Japan to the Arabian Sea), if need be! You forgot to mention airbases in Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Diego Garcia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, UK and Israel that could be used to unleash it.
Interesting article-
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I don't know if this is the most reliable source but this was sent to me in an e-mail today:

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Voice of Russia - Russian State Broadcasting Company

"USA to send a second aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf

The United States will send a second aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf to intimidate Iran, says the CBS news agency. The Pentagon has so far refrained form any official comment."

EDIT: Here is the CBS article it is referring to. Obviously, the VOR article has exaggerated the content of the article.

Security Council Group Makes Deal On Iran

"Annan issued the warning as the Security Council debated a resolution that would impose sanctions on Tehran for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment and the United States considered sending a second aircraft carrier to Persian Gulf as a show of force against Iran.

He addressed concerns about a possible military operation in Iran at a farewell news conference before stepping down as U.N. chief on Dec. 31 in response to a question about how the Security Council should deal with crises after the Iraq war. The council refused to authorize a war against Saddam Hussein in 2003 and Annan called the U.N.'s failure to stop the conflict "the worst moment" of his 10 years as secretary-general.

"You mentioned Iran, which implies that there is concern that there may be another military operation there," Annan told the reporter. "First of all, I don't think we are there yet, or we should go in that direction."

"I think it would be rather unwise and disastrous," the secretary-general warned. "I believe that the council, which is discussing the issue, will proceed cautiously and try and do whatever it can to get a negotiated settlement for the sake of the region and for the sake of the world," he said.

It was one of Annan's last opportunities to shape foreign policy, Falk said. "Although the possiblity of a U.S. intervention appears remote, particularly in light of the municipal elections in Iran, which delivered a strong message to the Iranian president that his defiant foreign policies are not playing well at home," she said.

President Bush's administration has repeatedly declined to rule out the use of force against Iran, though senior officials have also said their first choice is to rely on diplomacy.

A senior U.S. defense official said Tuesday the idea of building up U.S. Navy forces has been discussed over some time and one proposal is to send a second aircraft carrier to the region. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the idea has not been approved, said it's unclear when a decision will be made."

Ah, here's the full CBS article:

U.S. Military Buildup A Warning To Iran

(CBS News) NEW YORK The Pentagon is planning to bolster its presence in the Persian Gulf as a warning to Iran's continuously defiant government, CBS News reports.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin says the U.S. military build-up, which would include adding a second aircraft carrier to the one already in the Gulf, is being proposed as a response to what U.S. officials view as an increasingly provocative Iranian leadership.

Recent Iranian naval exercises, support for Shiite militias in Iraq, and Tehran's allegedly peaceful nuclear enrichment program ? which U.S. intelligence believes is designed to produce a bomb ? have all lead to the planned changes, Martin reports.

Military officers say the build-up would take place after the first of the year, not with the aim of actually attacking Iran, but strictly as a deterent.

Meanwhile, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that U.N. sanctions would not stop the Islamic republic from enriching uranium.

The United States and its European allies are seeking sanctions against Iran because of its refusal to stop uranium enrichment, a technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel for civilian purposes or fuel for a nuclear bomb.

A draft U.N. resolution would order all countries to ban the supply of specified materials and technology to Iran that could contribute to Iran's nuclear and missile programs. It also would impose a travel ban and asset freeze on key companies and individuals in the country's nuclear and missile programs who are named on a U.N. list.

"A nation whose youth have been able to achieve the nuclear fuel cycle with empty hands ? rest assured that it will be able to capture other peaks of (progress)," Ahmadinejad told a large crowd in the western city of Kermanshah.

The hardline president spoke a day after election results indicated his allies suffered an embarrassing defeat in last week's local council elections, an apparent sign of voter discontent with his policies.

Ahmadinejad, however, has had success in gaining support among Iranian citizens by emphasizing the struggle with the West over the country's nuclear program, a source of Iranian pride
 
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Surpluswarrior, Could you please supply a link for that story? Thanks.

Just what carrier is the US planning to send to the Gulf? Any guesses? The "Ike" is in the Gulf right now. Maybe they meant LHD/LHA type ship. Are there any other USN CVN's close. Nope...

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If one is sent it won't happen until after Christmas. The US CV force will all be inport over the Christmas and New Year holiday. After then who knows????

A little later..The Nimitz, Stennis and Roosevelt could deploy. I checked their training cycles on the above websites. The others are in re-fit or training. The Enterprise is in post deployment "stand down".
 
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As it happened often in the past, the , CV-63 and
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can make it there sooner than the others, if such decision is made. But, I think we are dealing mostly with psychological warfare at this point!
 

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Hi Popeye,

I think this was the link

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You're right, it looks like psychological warfare for now. I doubt anything new would even end up in the region until late January at least.
 
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