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The Golden Dome is a major destabilizing factor against attempts at maintaining the balance of power between nuclear superpowers through nuclear deterrence, which has been working for many decades. The US is basically trying to upset and alter the nuclear status quo between the US and China (+ Russia). The cascading effects from a successfully completed Golden Dome (should it not fall victim to Pentagon + MIC grift and corruption) will not be light.

What's worse, having the ability to destroy the opposing side's strategic missile launchers before their missiles could even be launched is basically equivalent to neutralizing the most fundamental forms of nuclear deterrence available to the opposing side.

In response, China must expand her nuclear arsenal, strategic missiles, anti-missile and space-weaponization development efforts coupled with developing similar countermeasures to the Golden Dome. This is in order to return the balance to a state of mutual vulnerability, i.e. a balance of hard power.

In addition, Beijing will certainly become more aggressive in any arms control talks with DC in the future, alongside potentially having more aggressive and steadfast posturing elsewhere, whether that be political or military. This isn't going to be pretty - Though I seriously doubt anyone in DC can actually comprehend that.

And remember - The US is the one who started it.

And this one is crazy too. A rocket, used as a cargo, could be landed on anywhere in the world.

After when China released the J36 and J50, I felt like that is the moment China has pulled ahead of US. You can include the deepseek to the list.

Now, U.S has introduced the golden dome, F47 and other 6th gen stuff, U.S took a step ahead of China.

This tech race is going to be a long one. Let see what China is planning to release next.

bebops said:

After when China released the J36 and J50, I felt like that is the mention China has pulled ahead of US. You can include the deepseek to the list.

Now, U.S has introduced the golden dome, F47 and other 6th gen stuff, U.S took a step ahead of China.

This tech race is going to be a long one. Let see what China is planning to release next.

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I wouldn't call those still-in-PPT-stage stuffs as "a step ahead of China".

bebops said:

After when China released the J36 and J50, I felt like that is the moment China has pulled ahead of US. You can include the deepseek to the list.

Now, U.S has introduced the golden dome, F47 and other 6th gen stuff, U.S took a step ahead of China.

This tech race is going to be a long one. Let see what China is planning to release next.

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The funny thing is that none of this has been revealed operationally or even demonstrably.

I don't think you know Trump very well, but for his enormous ego, everything from the US has to be the biggest and best. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a bluff to force China to come to the negotiating table to sign nuclear arms limitation treaties.

ACuriousPLAFan said:

The Golden Dome is a major destabilizing factor against attempts at maintaining the balance of power between nuclear superpowers through nuclear deterrence, which has been working for many decades. The US is basically trying to upset and alter the nuclear status quo between the US and China (+ Russia). The cascading effects from a successfully completed Golden Dome (should it not fall victim to Pentagon + MIC grift and corruption) will not be light.

What's worse, having the ability to destroy the opposing side's strategic missile launchers before their missiles could even be launched is basically equivalent to neutralizing the most fundamental forms of nuclear deterrence available to the opposing side.

In response, China must expand her nuclear arsenal, strategic missiles, anti-missile and space-weaponization development efforts coupled with developing similar countermeasures to the Golden Dome. This is in order to return the balance to a state of mutual vulnerability, i.e. a balance of hard power.

In addition, Beijing will certainly become more aggressive in any arms control talks with DC in the future, alongside potentially having more aggressive and steadfast posturing elsewhere, whether that be political or military. This isn't going to be pretty - Though I seriously doubt anyone in DC can actually comprehend that.

And remember - The US is the one who started it.

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To be fair, China is also part of the problem.

China did not give any explanation when the Americans wanted to include the Chinese in the negotiations on the New START treaty with the Russians, responding that they are the two countries that should reduce their nuclear weapons before any Chinese entry into the treaty.

China could have been more diplomatic and tried to at least open talks on limiting nuclear weapons, but the chinese refusal ended up being just another effort for the Americans to want to change the status of the nuclear balance.

It is not possible to say that this could have led to a soft conclusion and reached an agreement, especially because I do not believe that the Americans would have remained in this treaty anyway, given that they have been trying to change this balance since the 1990s and have been several anti-missile systems since then, but China could have postponed this escalation.

The cost of interception in war is dozens of times higher than launching missiles, which will force opponents to develop countermeasures. The Golden Dome project is also technically unreliable, which will be another project for the United States to drag down itself.

phrozenflame said:

Golden dome is basically the opening salvo, its being narrated as a global defense system and alot of media and criticism is focused on that part, but thats all a red herring IMO. If you read between the lines where its mentioned that one of the goals is to neutralize a missile even before launch, that makes it clear that it is essentially a space based strike system.

In its first iteration, it doesnt need to cover the globe, it just needs to cover mainland CN and first island chain. Then the physics of it all suddenly become relatively more realistic.

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Not that simple.

Israel wants to add Iran & Houthis to target list.

Europe wants to add Russia to target list.

SK & Japan want to add NK to target list.

US could ignore requests from "allies", but these allies' enemies can also hit US foreign bases & US itself.

So, it indeed has to be a global space strike/defense system. Otherwise there're too many breaches.

Should admit, why US has so many enemies all over the world?

Sinnavuuty said:

To be fair, China is also part of the problem.

China did not give any explanation when the Americans wanted to include the Chinese in the negotiations on the New START treaty with the Russians, responding that they are the two countries that should reduce their nuclear weapons before any Chinese entry into the treaty.

China could have been more diplomatic and tried to at least open talks on limiting nuclear weapons, but the chinese refusal ended up being just another effort for the Americans to want to change the status of the nuclear balance.

It is not possible to say that this could have led to a soft conclusion and reached an agreement, especially because I do not believe that the Americans would have remained in this treaty anyway, given that they have been trying to change this balance since the 1990s and have been

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several anti-missile systems since then, but China could have postponed this escalation.

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Pray tell - What is in for China to negotiate the limitation of her nuclear arms in all those years when:
1. China only has 1/10th the nuclear arsenal size of the US;
2. China does not have any other strategic nuclear deterrence capabilities against the US apart from the land-based ICBMs and the meager fleet of 6x SSBNs (which probably doesn't actually quite qualify as strategic nuclear platforms when they are only armed with early JL-2s), whereas the US already has an all-encompassing strategic nuclear triad capability; and
3. China's ABM capability is still far from being as comprehensive, sophisticated and far-reaching (as in near-global coverage) as the US?

I'd say that it'd be absolutely foolish for Beijing to limit her own nuclear arsenal, delivery platforms and ABM capability developments at the behest of the US (plus at a significant expense of herself), all while the US is already holds an overwhelming superiority over China in all of those fields.

Also, what makes you think that there isn't at least some kind of strategic-level military interactions between China and the US behind the scenes?

And if we really want to go ALL the way back - Between China and the US, China definitely isn't the first one to have nuclear-tipped weapons aimed at the opposing side.

bebops said:

After when China released the J36 and J50, I felt like that is the moment China has pulled ahead of US. You can include the deepseek to the list.

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I would say China is already ahead of the US in several sectors. The J36 and J50 show China is ahead in airframe design and construction. Deepseek shows that China is ahead in AI algorithms.

bebops said:

Now, U.S has introduced the golden dome, F47 and other 6th gen stuff, U.S took a step ahead of China.

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It is all vaporware.
The only airframe design Boeing Phantom Works designed recently is the Bird of Prey so it could look similar to that.
But you can bet the US still has no flight ready prototype of F47. It is probably sketches and virtual prototypes. If they had a flying prototype they would show it like they did for B-21. Once they build it physically it will have all sorts of issues to fix. See the shit show Boeing is doing with the T-7A trainer program.

Golden Dome is just bullshit. There is no missile defense system you can make viable against massive MIRV missile attacks with current technology. They can replicate the Israeli system, the US MIC supplies most of the tech to build the Israeli IADS. But Israel has a small area to cover with the system. The US is much larger. A whole different problem.

Sinnavuuty said:

To be fair, China is also part of the problem.

China did not give any explanation when the Americans wanted to include the Chinese in the negotiations on the New START treaty with the Russians, responding that they are the two countries that should reduce their nuclear weapons before any Chinese entry into the treaty.

China could have been more diplomatic and tried to at least open talks on limiting nuclear weapons, but the chinese refusal ended up being just another effort for the Americans to want to change the status of the nuclear balance.

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You are wrong. It would have been a mistake if China entered such talks with the US without at least having parity first like the Soviets did. What you propose would be a repeat of the Washington Naval Treaty the US signed with Japan. Where Japan was forced to have a much smaller Navy than the US in perpetuity. This is IMHO one of the main reasons Japan lost WW2. It takes a long time to build a Navy and the same applies to ICBMs.

The US is still ahead in engine technology and other areas. They can also leverage the technology of the combined West, which China cannot do. But the rest of the West isn't as advanced as it used to be either.