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Under Article 14 no more than 15,000 tons can pass the straits at anyone time and no more than 9 warships at anyone time

The Burkes and Ticos can therefore pass over a period of specified time singly

Article 15 states no aircraft are allowed to be carried

No Burkes or Ticos carry aircraft

Article 18 non Black Sea states can deploy for 21 days

Easily rotate around a 3 week period
 
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What USN has to do is get serious bring in 4 x Arleigh Burke DDG backed by 1-2 Tico CG have a proper surface action group deployed to the Black Sea on a permanent basis rotate them in and out

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TRADUCTION - TRANSLATION
CONVENTION REGARDING THE
REGIME OF THE STRAITS SIGNED AT MONTREUX, JULY 20 TH, 1936

Article 18.
(1) The aggregate tonnage which non-Black Sea Powers may have in that sea in time of peace shall
be limited as follows:
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) below, the aggregate tonnage of the said Powers shall not
exceed 30.000 tons;
 

Jeff Head

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Navyrec posted the following on the P-8 thread. It s important news.


US Navy's VP-45 squadron launched AGM-84D missile from P-8A Poseidon MPA for the first time

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Patrol Squadron (VP)-45 Combat Aircrew Four (CAC)-4 recently completed the first P-8A Coordinated Time on Top (CTOT) AGM-84D live missile shot with a Japan Maritime Self Defense Force (JMSDF) P-3C crew during RIMPAC 2014. The missile shot was comprised of a P-8A-launched AGM-84D Harpoon missile and a JMSDF P-3C- launched ATM-84D Harpoon telemetry missile. The result was a successful strike against a surface target – with both missiles arriving simultaneously.

The challenging exercise displayed the P-8A Poseidon’s ability to coordinate with a foreign asset to deliver air-to-surface missiles on a target.
“This on-target shot represents the tip of the iceberg for current and future capabilities of the Poseidon,” said Lt. Cmdr. Carl White, officer in charge of the detachment.

“The P-8A platform will be an invaluable anti-surface warfare (ASuW) asset of the Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance Force for decades to come.”

Lt. Justin Rogers, tactical coordinator of CAC-4, said “This live-fire CTOT exercise took several months of preparation, planning and coordination with a myriad of organizations, including Commander Patrol and Reconnaissance Group (CPRG), Commander Patrol and Reconnaissance Wing 2 (CPRW-2) and CPRW-11.”

Rogers also noted the participation of Maritime Patrol and Reconnaissance Weapons School (MPRWS), VP-30), VP-26, Air Test and Evaluation Squadron (VX)-1, Pacific Missile Range Facility (PMRF), Fleet Weapons Support Team (FWST), Mobile Tactical Operations Centers (MTOC)-1 and -5, in addition to the expertise demonstrated by the JMSDF P-3C Orion aircrew.
White concluded, “We look forward to continuing the relationships we built at RIMPAC during on our upcoming deployment to the 7th Fleet Area of Responsibility.”

On the 24th anniversary of the RIMPAC exercise, the P-8A Poseidon showcased its abilities in joint anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and intelligence surveillance reconnaissance scenarios. The VP-45 Pelicans joined a coalition of 22 participant countries and six observer countries that worked together to execute RIMPAC 2014, a massive training evolution involving 48 surface ships, six submarines, more than 200 aircraft, and 25,000 personnel.
 

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TRADUCTION - TRANSLATION
CONVENTION REGARDING THE
REGIME OF THE STRAITS SIGNED AT MONTREUX, JULY 20 TH, 1936

Article 18.
(1) The aggregate tonnage which non-Black Sea Powers may have in that sea in time of peace shall
be limited as follows:
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) below, the aggregate tonnage of the said Powers shall not
exceed 30.000 tons;

With a maximum tonnage of 45,000 tons which still means four Arleigh Burke type DDG

And I posted this from a while ago

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Jeff Head

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Great pic. DDG-1000, USS Zumwalt, right, outfitting, while DDG-1001, USS Monsoor, left, is building. Her hull is almost complete, and awaiting the deck house which was just completed.


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Very nice and coming along nicely.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Navy designs new amphibious assault ships
By Kris OsbornPublished August 14, 2014Military.comFacebook71 Twitter80
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The Navy is evaluating designs, costs and specifications for a new class of amphibious assault ships designed to replace the current fleet of cargo-carrying LSD 41/49 dock landing ships, service officials said.

The existing fleet of dock landing ships, which function in a key cargo-carrying capacity as part of an amphibious ready group, will be nearing the end of their expected 40-year life span in coming years, said Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Robert Walsh, director of the Navy’s expeditionary warfare division.

“It is not often you replace a ship class,” he said.

Slated to be procured in 2020 and enter service by 2026, the new LXR amphib will need to function with more autonomy than its predecessor and be able to conduct what’s called disaggregated operations apart from an amphibious ready group.

'It is not often you replace a ship class.'
- director of the Navy’s expeditionary warfare division
The LXR will need more aviation, command and control and medical technologies compared to existing LSDs, Walsh explained.

“The LSD’s we’re replacing were meant to be the trucks – heavy cargo capability for the [amphibious ready group]. It has a landing platform but it doesn’t have a hangar and an aviation deck,” he said. “Due to the concept of operations we are under today, it needs independent capability. It needs to have aviation capability and be able to go somewhere and take helos with it. It needs an aviation detachment and be able to do the maintenance.”

The Navy used to be able to deploy up to five ARGs at one time, however the fleet is no longer the size it used to be in the 1980s and the service is working on a strategy to get by with fewer ARGs and as few as 33 amphibs overall. As a result, the Navy needs more ships that have the technological ability to operate independently of an ARG if need be.

“When it comes to amphib forces, quantity does matter. We’ve got to have the numbers to be able to do the things we want to be able to do. We are trying to recapitalize the LSD force,” Walsh said.

The Navy is working on its initial capabilities document for the LXR and recently finished an Analysis of Alternatives, or AoA, wherein service engineers, experts and acquisition professional explore options for the ship.

Results of the AoA determined that the Navy is considering basing the construction and design upon the existing LPD 17 amphibious transport dock hull – or designing and entirely new ship altogether.

Walsh explained that the AoA wound up reducing the alternatives or options for the LXR from eleven different options down to two options.

Designed to serve alongside 400 sailor-strong LDS dock landing ships in the ARG, the amphibious transport docks, or LPD 17s, carry up to 700 sailors and have a higher degree of aviation and command and control technologies for independent operations, Walsh explained.

The new LXR will need to have the command and control and aviation technology to operate independently while still remaining true to its cargo-carrying mission and be less expensive than an LPD 17.

The 684-foot long LPD 17s can hit speeds of 22 knots and carry four CH-46 Sea Knights or two MV-22 Osprey aircraft. The LSD also travels around 20 knots, however, it is only 609-feet long and not equipped to house aircraft.

Both the LPD 17 and the LSDs have well-decks for amphibious operations along with the ability to launch Landing Craft Air Cushions, or LCACs. The LPD 17 weighs close to 25,000 tons and the LSD is only 16,000 tons. The Whidbey Island class of LSDs can carry and launch up to four LCACs.

The new ship now in development, the LXR, will likely wind up drawing upon elements of both of these amphibious assault ships as the Navy seeks to maximize the performance of the ship while keeping its cost well below $2 billion, the approximate cost of an LPD 17.

“The LPD 17 is just too high-end cost wise when you are looking at replacing the LSD class. We’re working with industry to look at lowering costs for the ship,” Walsh explained.

The Navy has recently awarded two “design for affordability” contracts to two shipbuilders, Huntington Ingalls Industries and National Steel and Shipbuilding Company, or NASSCO. The contracts are aimed at exploring design specifications and technologies best suited for the LXR with a mind to lowering costs while maximizing technical capability, Walsh explained.

Walsh said the Navy is integrating the requirements work with cost analysis in order to ensure that cost goals are not compromised by growing requirements.
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Another LPD Bridges Gap For LXR Amphib, HII CEO Says

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Michael Fabey
Mon, 2014-08-11 15:30
As the next-generation amphibious ship, the LXR, faces further delays because of budgetary issues, another transportation dock ship — LPD 28 — would help bridge the growing gap between the current amphibious shipbuilding program and its successor, says Michael Petters, CEO of Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII), which makes the ships.

"The bridge you’re trying to create is the bridge from the LPD program to the LXR program," Petters said last week during a quarterly earnings conference call with Wall Street investment analysts.

"The LXR program right now is outside the FYDP [five-year defense plan]," he notes. "The plan of record is that it [LXR] is in the first year after the end of the FYDP. And so the gap is fairly long. And that’s what [it] would require, in our view, for the production to get from LPD to LXR. LPD 28 is the only logical way to do that. Now, it assumes that the LXR is going to look something like the LPD, and that it’s going to have some of the same characteristics and requirements [as] the class of ships that it’s replacing. ... And so there is an underlying assumption there is a line of sight from LPDs to LXRs. And at that time frame is pretty fixed."

The longer the LXR remains excluded from the FYDP, the longer the ship could be delayed. "I would say that LXR not being in the FYDP yet means there’s still potential for the gap to get bigger," he says. "That just makes the LPD 28 that much more important, in our view."

The bridge ship would be vital to maintain production-line operations at the yard.

"If you don’t have something else for that workforce to do, then you’re going to be downsizing the workforce," he says. "We started this whole amphibious discussion a couple of years ago with you guys, telling you that we thought that there’s going to be a scrum for priorities and dollars and resources with the shipbuilding account, and we felt like the amphibs were going to be in the middle of it. And we’ve been working that for a couple of years. At this point, I’d say that we’re in the game and we have a chance to get LPD 28 done. And this is critically important to the sustainability of the work that we’ve accomplished so far."

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I think a toned down San Antonio, with a little less aviation, and a little more well deck (ie. two LCAC) capability, and perhaps not as strong an integral defense system, but still adequate to operate RAM and Phalanx, makes since.

Built on the LPD hull, they may well get it down to 20,000 tons and 1.5 billion.

We will see.

Getting another LPD to bridge the gap also makes sense.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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The Big push of the Modern Navy is What I like to think of as Star Trek design. Everything is modular, stealthier and Multirole. Crewmen on the most advanced ships coming into the fleet are already rarely on deck, The sensors and systems are highly sophisticated intigrated every where and require far more Mr. Spock then Davy Jones.
 

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I think a toned down San Antonio, with a little less aviation, and a little more well deck (ie. two LCAC) capability, and perhaps not as strong an integral defense system, but still adequate to operate RAM and Phalanx, makes since.

Built on the LPD hull, they may well get it down to 20,000 tons and 1.5 billion.

We will see.

Getting another LPD to bridge the gap also makes sense.

The specs are effectively a San Antonio lite since the main one is too expensive for the numbers they are after. The USN will eventually find itself with a navy it can't afford to build as long as it is business as usual.

You can get a Mistral for half the cost of a targeted LXR and still achieve the mission parameters as outlined. A least it doesn't have to go to the Russians.
 

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600 U.S.-based soldiers will deploy to Europe
Aug. 14, 2014 - 06:00AM |
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Soldiers assigned to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, will soon deploy to Europe for a three-month rotation. (Sgt. John Couffer / Army)

By Michelle Tan
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About 600 soldiers from the 1st Cavalry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team will rotate into Europe in October as part of Operation Atlantic Resolve.

The soldiers from Fort Hood, Texas, will replace soldiers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team, of Vicenza, Italy, who have been participating in land forces training exercises in Poland and the Baltic states since April.

The exercises are designed to reassure NATO allies and partners of America’s dedication to enduring peace and stability in the region in light of the Russian intervention in Ukraine, according to a Defense Department news release.

Paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade have been participating in multinational training exercises with troops in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland since April. These exercises have been taking place at the request of the host nations, according to information from the Army.

The 1st Cavalry Division soldiers — most of whom will be from the brigade’s 2nd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment — are expected to be in Europe for about three months, and they’ll bring with them training equipment such as infantry fighting vehicles, cavalry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

They will be the first U.S.-based soldiers to rotate to European Command’s area of operations.

The unit’s deployment is part of the Army’s ongoing regionally aligned forces concept, which aims to provide combatant commanders around the world with trained and ready troops.

These troops, who will receive targeted cultural and language training, could be called upon to conduct activities such as military-to-military engagements and exercises.

Earlier this year, about 1,200 soldiers from 1st BCT participated in the Combined Resolve II exercise at the Joint Multinational Training Command in Germany in preparation for Operation Atlantic Resolve.

In June, the brigade sent an infantry company to Saber Strike, a security cooperation exercise primarily focused on the three Baltic states and involving about 4,500 troops from 10 countries, said Capt. John Farmer, the brigade spokesman.

Soldiers from the brigade also are scheduled to participate in Combined Resolve III later this year, also at JMTC.

The 1st BCT was first regionally aligned with Europe late last summer. As part of their alignment, they also are the U.S. contingent of the NATO Response Force, a multinational force designed to deploy quickly wherever needed, whether it be for disaster response and humanitarian relief, or stabilization operations and combat operations.

The force, which was announced in 2002, also serves as a tool to maintain and grow the ability of forces from across NATO to work together.

The alignment of 1st BCT marked the first time the U.S. has committed one of its primary fighting formations to the international effort.

Operation Atlantic Resolve was born in April, when the Army sent four company-sized infantry units from the 173rd to Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

“Since Russian aggression in Ukraine, we have been constantly looking for ways to reassure our allies and partners … of our commitment to Article 5,” Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said at the time, referring to the key element of the NATO alliance treaty that states an attack on one of the 28 member countries will be considered an attack on all.

The Army deployment marked the first sustained addition of ground forces into Eastern Europe since Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine’s Crimea region began in late February.

The 173rd is on its third rotation of paratroopers since its initial deployment in late April, said Maj. Michael Weisman, the brigade spokesman.

“We have maintained roughly 600 paratroopers as a whole,” he said.

Soldiers from the brigade’s 1st Battalion, 503rd Infantry Regiment made up the bulk of the first rotation. They were replaced by soldiers from 1st Squadron, 91st Cavalry Regiment, and those soldiers are now being replaced by troops from 2nd Battalion, 503rd Infantry, Weisman said.

Each unit’s rotation has lasted about 60 days, he said.

The brigade also sent troops from 4th Battalion, 319th Airborne Field Artillery Regiment to support live fire exercises, marking the first time U.S. artillery has ever been in the Baltic states, Weisman said.

In addition, soldiers from the Brigade Support Battalion and Brigade Special Troops Battalion also have been deployed, he said.

Since April, the paratroopers have conducted allied airborne operations in each country, conducted training on everything from small arms to Javelin anti-tank missiles, run combined-arms live fires events, and conducted helicopter operations with help from elements of the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade, Weisman said.

The troops also have engaged with their host communities, Weisman said.

“We’ve marched alongside our hosts in national and regional memorial ceremonies and national independence parades, helped open hospitals, refurbish orphanages and made a positive contribution to our host communities in each country,” he said.
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Congressman wants to curb military surplus program
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Police stand watch as demonstrators protest the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown on Aug. 13 in Ferguson, Mo. (Scott Olson / Getty Images)

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WASHINGTON — Images of police outfitted in paramilitary gear clashing with protesters in suburban St. Louis after the weekend shooting death of unarmed black teenager are giving new impetus to efforts to rein in a Pentagon program that provides free machine guns and other surplus military equipment to local law enforcement agencies.

Rep. Hank Johnson, D-Ga., says he plans to introduce legislation when Congress returns in September to curb what he describes as an increasing militarization of police agencies across the country.

"Our Main Streets should be a place for business, families and relaxation, not tanks and M16s," Johnson said Thursday. "Militarizing America's Main Streets won't make us any safer, just more fearful and more reticent."

Attorney General Eric Holder said he's concerned that use of military equipment by police in Ferguson, Missouri, is sending a "conflicting message." Holder said authorities there have accepted the Justice Department's offer of crowd-control help as it continues to investigate the Saturday shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The response by law enforcement to protests "must seek to reduce tensions, not heighten them," Holder said.

A spokesman for the Defense Logistics Agency, the government's combat logistics support agency, said the Ferguson Police Department has been part of the surplus equipment program. It received two tactical vehicles — both Humvees — as well as a generator and a trailer and may have received other equipment, DLA spokesman Joe Yoswa said.

The FBI and Justice Department are conducting a civil rights investigation into the shooting. Eyewitnesses have already been interviewed, Holder said.

"We need to demilitarize this situation_this kind of response by the police has become the problem instead of the solution," said Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., who was in Ferguson on Thursday.

Johnson said his bill would limit the kinds of military equipment that can be transferred to local law enforcement agencies and require states to certify they can account for all equipment received.

He said he is disturbed by reports that some weapons and other equipment distributed to police agencies have gone missing. He also expressed concern that the trend toward militarizing has moved beyond local police departments and sheriff's offices, saying Ohio State University recently acquired a mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicle, or MRAP.

"Apparently, college kids are getting too rowdy," Johnson said.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., blamed the trend on the federal government.

"There should be a difference between a police response and a military response" to street protests, Paul, a possible GOP presidential contender in 2016, wrote in an opinion column in Time magazine.

"Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies — where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement," Paul wrote.

Johnson, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, cites a 24-year-old program that lets local police agencies acquire for free surplus military equipment ranging from blankets and bayonets to tanks. An Associated Press investigation last year found that a large share of the $4.2 billion in surplus military gear distributed by the program since 1990 went to police and sheriff's departments in rural areas with few officers and little crime.

Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, defended the program as useful because "it allows for the reuse of military equipment that otherwise would be disposed of."

Asked whether events in Missouri had given the Pentagon reason to reconsider the program, Kirby said, "It is up to law enforcement agencies to speak to how and what they gain through this system."

A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, declined to comment on Johnson's proposal.

In a statement about the shooting, Boehner said he supports "a full and thorough investigation" of the events surrounding Brown's death, as well as subsequent actions, including the detention of journalists covering the protests.

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Associated Press writers Eric Tucker and Robert Burns contributed to this report.
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