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The amphibious assault ships USS Boxer and Fort McHenry put into the seaport of Kiel, Germany not long ago in a disreputable state.
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for all to see. The destroyer USS Gravely, one of America’s frontline Aegis surface combatants,
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in a likewise parlous condition.
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But outward appearances matter even more than it might seem. While holding forth on the dynamics of peacetime naval diplomacy, strategist Edward Luttwak
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that whoever most observers believe would have prevailed in a wartime trial of arms tends to prevail in a peacetime showdown. Naval practitioners could render an informed judgment about each contender’s prospects in action. Spit-and-polish might be a secondary concern for them.

Most beholders, however, are not specialists in naval affairs. Yet their opinions count all the same. A tidy, rust-free appearance suggests to landlubbers that the crew knows and cares about its business. If a warship looks like a rusty old hulk, contrariwise, it’s reasonable for onlookers to conjecture that its internals—its propulsion plant, sensors, and armament—may likewise be objects of neglect. Its image for professionalism and battle competence suffers.
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Luttwak notes that weapon systems are “black boxes” to outsiders until used in action. With scant direct evidence of which naval force boasts the best black boxes—with no verdict of arms that yields a definite result—friends and allies, prospective antagonists, and domestic constituents will render a verdict based on the evidence of their eyes. Rust and slipshod housekeeping are telltale indicators that something deeper is amiss.
I think it is easy to quantify.

The appearance of the ships is the least concern, there is higher priority for example seagoing skills of the crew ( Fitzgerald, McCain ) so, if there is not enough time to make them rust free then there is an overall deficit in maintenance hours/money.

So, we can establish that there is a minimum deficiency, and we can expect that there is more issues with the general organisation .
 

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Plane crashes in central Afghanistan, exact details unclear
PUBLISHED MON, JAN 27 20205:13 AM ESTUPDATED AN HOUR AGO



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  • The plane crashed Monday in territory under Taliban control but exact details remain unclear.
  • Arif Noori, a spokesman for the governor’s office in Ghazni, said fire brigades, security officials and rescue teams were at the scene of the crash.
  • The spokesman for the provincial governor said the plane went down around 1:10 p.m. local time in the Deh Yak district.












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A plane has crashed in Afghanistan’s central Ghazni province, killing everyone on board, a senior Afghan official told NBC News.

The plane crashed Monday in territory under Taliban control but the exact details remain unclear. Social media images, purportedly from the site, show the possible remains of a Bombardier E-11A aircraft.


The U.S. military is investigating reports of the crash, according to The Associated Press, with U.S. Army Maj. Beth Riordan, a spokeswoman for U.S. Central Command,
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it remained unclear whose aircraft was involved in the crash.




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ویډيؤ#غزني دهیک ولسوالۍ کي لویدلي الوتکه د امریکاي کمانډویانو ده د پیلوټانو په شمول له پنځو تر شپږو تنو وژل شوي د یوه امریکايي عسکر کارټ هم مجاهدینو ته په لاس ور غلي نور وروسته


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Arif Noori, a spokesman for the governor’s office in Ghazni, said fire brigades, security officials and rescue teams were at the scene of the crash.

It was initially reported to be a plane from the state-owned Ariana Afghan Airlines. However, the airline’s acting CEO Mirwais Mirzakwal has since denied that one of its planes had crashed.

“There has been an airline crash but it does not belong to Ariana because the two flights managed by Ariana today from Herat to Kabul and Herat to Delhi are safe,” Mirzakwal told Reuters.


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belonging to the airline also said that if any crash did happen, it didn’t involve one of its planes.

The spokesman for the provincial governor said the plane went down around 1:10 p.m. local time in the Deh Yak district. Two provincial council members also confirmed the crash, according to AP.



A map showing Ghazni Province in Afghanistan.
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Zabihullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman, said the group was checking on news of a plane crash, Reuters also reported.

The European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) currently has a notification which cites Afghanistan airspace warnings from a number of countries. The U.K. Aeronautical Information Service suggests a potential risk to aircraft flying below 25,000 feet due to “anti aviation weaponry.”

United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) advises “extreme caution” when flying into Afghan airspace, adding that ground time in the country should be minimized.

Spokespersons for Ariana Afghan Airlines and the U.S. Army were not immediately available for comment when contacted by CNBC.

—Reuters, The Associated Press, and CNBC’s Amanda Macias contributed to this article.


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There is a few interesting data in the article, but generally it is a shameless propaganda : )

They forgot example that Russia hasn't conducted a single strategic flight between 90-08, but the USA continued the practice like nothing happened : )

They are sooooo quiet about it . : )
 

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for all to see. The destroyer USS Gravely, one of America’s frontline Aegis surface combatants,
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in a likewise parlous condition.
That is the USS Gravely in May 2019 after operating in the Baltic Sea for three months. Still no excuse to look like that..really. Very embarrassing.upload_2020-1-27_20-10-26.gif

US Navy ships spend a lot of time at sea. Being at sea for any extended period of time causes corrosion...even sitting in a sea port for extended period cause corrosion. That is a fact. Not all or even 10% of US Navy ships are rust buckets....That's ok, think what you all want to. Sea water and sea air is relentless. It is a never ending battle.

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Here's a photos of Gravely about one month before the rust photo was taken.

GDYNIA Poland(Apr. 22, 2019) Standing NATO Maritime Group One (SNMG1) flagship, USS Gravely and Turkish frigate TCG Gokova pierside during port visit to Gdynia, Poland. SNMG1 is underway on a regularly scheduled deployment to conduct operations and provide a continuous maritime capability for NATO in the northern Atlantic. (U.S. Navy photo by Lt. Lyndsi Gutierrez/Released)

Here's a photo of Gravely short after the rust photo was taken.

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BALTIC SEA (May 30, 2019) The guided-missile destroyer USS Gravely (DDG 107) participates in a photo exercise with the German navy while transiting the Baltic Sea. Gravely is underway on a scheduled deployment as the flagship of Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 to conduct maritime operations and provide a continuous maritime capability for NATO in the northern Atlantic. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Mark Andrew Hays/Released)
 

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That is the USS Gravely in May 2019 after operating in the Baltic Sea for three months. Still no excuse to look like that..really. Very embarrassing.View attachment 57065

US Navy ships spend a lot of time at sea. Being at sea for any extended period of time causes corrosion...even sitting in a sea port for extended period cause corrosion. That is a fact. Not all or even 10% of US Navy ships are rust buckets....That's ok, think what you all want to. Sea water and sea air is relentless. It is a never ending battle.

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Here's a photos of Gravely about one month before the rust photo was taken.

GDYNIA Poland(Apr. 22, 2019) Standing NATO Maritime Group One (SNMG1) flagship, USS Gravely and Turkish frigate TCG Gokova pierside during port visit to Gdynia, Poland. SNMG1 is underway on a regularly scheduled deployment to conduct operations and provide a continuous maritime capability for NATO in the northern Atlantic. (U.S. Navy photo by Lt. Lyndsi Gutierrez/Released)

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BALTIC SEA (May 30, 2019) The guided-missile destroyer USS Gravely (DDG 107) participates in a photo exercise with the German navy while transiting the Baltic Sea. Gravely is underway on a scheduled deployment as the flagship of Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 to conduct maritime operations and provide a continuous maritime capability for NATO in the northern Atlantic. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Mark Andrew Hays/Released)
Yep, that's how the FAA and aircraft manufacturers test for a parts ability to withstand the elements, a salt spray bath, it does not take long, even stainless firearms oxidize and turn brown and pit.. that surface rust can actually form a protective layer of oxidation, but a salt water environment breaks down the alloys and causes pitting and eventually large areas with holes.
 

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That is the USS Gravely in May 2019 after operating in the Baltic Sea for three months. Still no excuse to look like that..really. Very embarrassing.View attachment 57065

US Navy ships spend a lot of time at sea. Being at sea for any extended period of time causes corrosion...even sitting in a sea port for extended period cause corrosion. That is a fact. Not all or even 10% of US Navy ships are rust buckets....That's ok, think what you all want to. Sea water and sea air is relentless. It is a never ending battle.
It is simple :
-not enough cash for new ships and crew
-there is too much deployment
-there is not enough time for basic training and maintenance, not considering "visual " look improvement(see collisions and shipyard backlog)
-ugly rusty clunkers running around ,like the Soviet ships in the 80s (the USA navy had a running gag about inability of Soviets to run the ships without rust back in the 80s)


All boiling down to the lack of money .

The same root cause like the operation of military bases without basic air defence , not having point/short/medium range air defence systems, lacking AShM capability , not capable to deploy the F-35 on time and two type of them is still not ready and so on.

It cost cash, and there is a shortage of it in the USA.
 

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It is simple :
-not enough cash for new ships and crew
-there is too much deployment
-there is not enough time for basic training and maintenance, not considering "visual " look improvement(see collisions and shipyard backlog)
-ugly rusty clunkers running around ,like the Soviet ships in the 80s (the USA navy had a running gag about inability of Soviets to run the ships without rust back in the 80s)
Deployments are to frequent and in some cases too long.

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The USN commissioned 9 ships last year and will commission 10 this year.

There is no lack of recruits for any of the US military services. The USN basic training is 9 weeks and has been 9 weeks at least since the 1960s. Everyone serving in the USN is a trained firefighter. Shipboard sailors are constantly trained in firefighting and damage control. When not deployed shipmates are constantly sent to various schools to further their training in their rating. USS John McCain was repaired and returned to service. USS Fitzgerald is still in the shipyard in PASCAGOULA, Mississippi. A lack of discipline and a breakdown in the command structures aboard these ships caused their horrific collisions.

Please post a recent photo of a USN ship that is an ugly rust bucket. Thank you.

The same root cause like the operation of military bases without basic air defence , not having point/short/medium range air defence systems, lacking AShM capability , not capable to deploy the F-35 on time and two type of them is still not ready and so on.
I don't know about the USAF or Army but I do know US Navy bases use Aegis ships for air defense.

As for the F-35..the F-35B is deployed. The F-35A first deployed last year. As for the F35C only one USN squadron is ready to deploy.VFA-147 was declared ready to deploy last FEB 2019....

Not spending enough money? really?

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Deployments are to frequent and in some cases too long.

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The USN commissioned 9 ships last year and will commission 10 this year.

There is no lack of recruits for any of the US military services. The USN basic training is 9 weeks and has been 9 weeks at least since the 1960s. Everyone serving in the USN is a trained firefighter. Shipboard sailors are constantly trained in firefighting and damage control. When not deployed shipmates are constantly sent to various schools to further their training in their rating. USS John McCain was repaired and returned to service. USS Fitzgerald is still in the shipyard in PASCAGOULA, Mississippi. A lack of discipline and a breakdown in the command structures aboard these ships caused their horrific collisions.

Please post a recent photo of a USN ship that is an ugly rust bucket. Thank you.



I don't know about the USAF or Army but I do know US Navy bases use Aegis ships for air defense.

As for the F-35..the F-35B is deployed. The F-35A first deployed last year. As for the F35C only one USN squadron is ready to deploy.VFA-147 was declared ready to deploy last FEB 2019....

Not spending enough money? really?
You can't outsource the USA NAVY or shipbuilding to India or China.
It needs to be made in the USA , so compare the money spent in other countries is meaningless.

China making more ships than the USA , Russia catching up, and floating out one Virginia/Nimitz hunter submarines in each year, so the problem is not enough money to compete them.

You can see the lack of cash in every move /decision.

They bringing back F-18 jets from the graveyard for frontline duty,buy back F-5 jets for training from other countries, has to use the assets without doing periodic maintenance, has to use inexperienced crew on expensive assets.
You can smell it.

This level of budget was enough in the 90s/00s, but it is not a disorganised China/Russia any more.


I think it is safe to say with 9 weeks of training no one can safely navigate a ship. We saw it on the Fitzgerald/McCain/USS Montpelier .
Every time the root cause was the same : insufficient training.
On the McCain, the guys wasn't trained for the digital ship engine control system, and struggled with it, to make it worst the other chaps on the bridge didn't know the basic operation of the system. Lack of TRAINING.
 

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