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Obi Wan Russell

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US Carriers have visited Pompey, but they can only come alongside at the naval base if they are LHA/LHDs or similar sized. When USS Iowa visited in the late 80s/early 90s (date escapes me) the channel had to be dredged especially for the occassion. My brother was based at HMS Dolphin (Gosport) around that time and frequently joked that when the sceptics turned up with a 'glow in the dark war canoe' (Nuclear powered carrier) they had to use the Isle of Wight as a mooring Bouy! I'd be glad to see any pictures of a CVN alongside at Pompey or Guz, because AFAIK, it hasn't happened yet.:(

4th, 5th, near enough. We are not 10th, 20th or 50th, which is what some seem to be suggesting. To many try to talk this country down, I prefer to talk it up!:D:nana:
 

Finn McCool

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I am a big fan of the CVF program, they will ensure that Britain has the ability to take on any nation at sea that it could concievably face, and do it really anywhere. The reasons for keeping the carriers have been very well argued here and I don't need to elaborate on them. However I worry that the day to day needs of British troops in A-stan are going unmet in the present budgets.
 

Norfolk

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", by Stephen Fidler, Sylvia Pfeifer and Alex Barker, Financial Times (FT.com), 19 August, 2008:

Talks have been held with countries including Japan about offloading large numbers of Eurofighter Typhoons that the British Ministry of Defence has ordered but can no longer afford.

The talks, which officials say are at an early stage, underline the scale of the cash crisis facing the MoD as it grapples with an estimated budget deficit of £2bn.

More at the link. This frankly sounds desperate. And I doubt entertaining this offer will help Japan pressure the US to get something better. But it would be quite a shock if Japan spurned F-35 for Typhoon (the US will never relent on F-22, and for some good reasons). Makes you wonder too if the UK will be able to come up with the money for F-35 down the road.
 

Mr T

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Norfolk, will the F-35 be available for Japan in great enough numbers in time? I don't think Tokyo would reject it completely, but it needs something that it can field sooner - Typhoon can do that.

The F-35 could always follow in the 2020s.
 

Norfolk

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Norfolk, will the F-35 be available for Japan in great enough numbers in time? I don't think Tokyo would reject it completely, but it needs something that it can field sooner - Typhoon can do that.

The F-35 could always follow in the 2020s.

Probably a number of Air Forces are wondering these days a little about that too, Mr. T. While it is expected that F-35 will not only see the light of day but indeed become the "standard" fighter aircraft of many Western AFs, the lengthy gestation of F-35 coupled with dwindling defence budgets (and weakening political will to sustain said) might lead to some unexpected twists in this tale. As for Japan, specifically, while it will probably continue to grit its teeth and hold out until the F-35 is available, it would not come as a complete surprise if in the end Japan took the Typhoons and then embarked on a very deliberate R&D program of its own to produce something approaching the F-22 (what Japan really wants of course), with a view to entering service sometime in the 2020's. Still not very likely, mind you, but considering Japanese frustrations over being denied F-22 and having to wait so long for an alternative aircraft that it doesn't really want anyway, and all within the context of growing security anxieties in the Far East (and growing nationalism at home), an alternate course should not be completely ruled out.
 

Mr T

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More than 3,500 insurgents have been "taken off the streets of Baghdad" by the elite British force in a series of audacious "Black Ops" over the past two years. It is understood that while the majority of the terrorists were captured, several hundred, who were mainly members of the organisation known as "al-Qa'eda in Iraq" have been killed by the SAS.

The SAS is part of a highly secretive unit called "Task Force Black" which also includes Delta Force, the US equivalent of the SAS.

The prime targets have been those intent on joining the wave of suicide car bombers that claimed around 3,000 lives a month in Baghdad at the height of the terrorist campaign in 2006. Using intelligence gleaned from spies and informers, Task Force Black has nearly broken the back of the terrorist network and reduced bombings in Baghdad from about 150 a month to just two. But the success of the covert mission came at a price – six members of the SAS were killed and more than 30 were injured. Delta Force has suffered in the region of 20 per cent casualties.

A senior British officer told The Sunday Telegraph: "We took over 3,500 terrorists off the streets of Baghdad in around 18 months. You could say it was a very successful period. But the butcher's bill was high. The attrition rate is equivalent to that experienced by the SAS during the Malayan insurgency 50 years ago."

"The relationship between the SAS and Delta Force is very close,” he added. “If anything, the attrition rate in Delta Force is higher. Two years ago the SAS made a donation to Delta Force’s 'widows and orphans’ fund of £10,000.”

Senior sources denied that the SAS was taking part in “extra-judicial killings” and added that any incident which appeared to be in breach of the British Army’s rules of engagement would be investigated internally by the unit and by the Royal Military Police if any wrongdoing was suspected. The source said: “There is no shoot-to-kill policy in Iraq, but there are only a few ways of stopping a suicide bomber. A British lawyer is present during the planning stages of every operation and our troops operate under British rules, not American rules.”

The SAS began to concentrate almost exclusively on reducing the car bomb threat in Iraq at the same time that the US military launched its so-called “surge”, which saw an additional 30,000 American troops move into the most dangerous areas of Baghdad, in early 2007.

Gen David Petraeus, the head of the US forces in Iraq, who is due to leave his post shortly, has praised the courage of the SAS. He said: “They have helped immensely in Baghdad … they have done a phenomenal job.”

In one incident, SAS troops rented a pink pick-up truck, removed their body armour to blend in with locals, and drove through the traffic to catch a key target.

“It was brilliant, actually,” Gen Petraeus said. “They have exceptional initiative, exceptional skill, exceptional courage and, I think, exceptional savvy. I can’t say enough about how impressive they are in thinking on their feet.”

Great work from the U.K.'s finest! ;)
 

Mr T

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The Ministry of Defence has placed £235m of contracts with industry to provide power and propulsion equipment for the new Royal Navy aircraft carriers it was confirmed today, Monday 6 October 2008.

At 65,000 tonnes each, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales will be among the world's largest warships. The latest contracts will deliver the carriers' gas turbines, generators, motors, power distribution equipment, platform management systems, propellers, shafts, steering gear, rudders and stabilisers. Simultaneously, the key industrial suppliers involved have co-operated to form an alliance that will ensure the equipment is integrated into the ships in the most cost-effective manner.

Each carrier's propellers will be driven by two powerful electric motors, making them the largest warships in the world to use electric rather than mechanical drive technology. The electric motors will be powered by diesel- and gas-turbine-driven generators which can be located elsewhere within the ship, freeing up valuable space in the hull and providing greater resilience to battle damage.

The electric propulsion technology will be provided by Scots-based companies Rolls Royce in Fife and Converteam in Glasgow. Rolls Royce's Dalgety Bay facilty will benefit from a £13m contract to provide rudders and stabilisers which steer the ship and keep it level. Overall, Rolls Royce's share of the latest carrier contracts is £96m.

Power conversion specialists Converteam will be providing the electric equipment which controls and monitors the power for the propulsion system and motors, under a contract worth £26m. This involves making medium-voltage switchboards, electric converters, and filters.

Two state-of-the-art gas turbines for each ship will be built in Bristol - producing 70 mega watts (MW) of power - and will be coupled to generators to be built in Rugby. Combined with the diesel engines already on order, they will supply the enormous amounts of electricity each carrier needs to move through the water fast enough to launch and recover aircraft, and to power onboard systems such as lighting and heating. In all each ship will be capable of generating some 109 MW, enough power to supply a town the size of Swindon.

MOD Defence Equipment and Support Director General Ships, Rear Admiral Bob Love, said:

"The new carriers represent a series of firsts for the Fleet and this latest propulsion technology has not yet been seen in the Royal Navy on this scale. This is a step change in the way our ships are powered and, as well as boosting capacity, will significantly improve fuel efficiency enabling uninterrupted long distance deployments and reducing running costs."

The project keeps on rolling. :)
 

Scratch

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I guess I might made Obi Wan still more nerved with that.

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Analysis: Reducing F-35 purchase could save UK up to USD5.8bn

As the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) struggles to cope with the budgetary pressures of conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and a massive equipment modernisation process, major cuts in one or more programmes appear to Jane's to be inevitable.

Anger of an underfunded UK military seems on the rise, and the armed forces are stretched. But the treassury lacks money, and the UK bailout programm adds costs.
Cutting in the F-35 programm might seem to be the most promissing step to reduce costs, as it is probably most easy to scale back without penalties / implications.
And according to Janes it wouldn't even infringe on capabilities.
How intense actually is the pressure on the island to save money somewhere in the budget? And what about the time factor, meaning the next elections?
 

Mr T

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Cutting in the F-35 programm might seem to be the most promissing step to reduce costs, as it is probably most easy to scale back without penalties / implications.

I think you mean "reduce". "Cut" implies nothing at all. No F-35s means no planes for the new carriers. Even Labour aren't that stupid. Some F-35s will be ordered, but it might mean that the RAF will have to do with Typhoons alone and leave the JSF for the RN.
 
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