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FORBIN

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Meanwhile...

I think the capabilities of the QEs are more consistent with the classification you don't want me to use, and are less consistent with the power projection 'big stick

Name me a nation outwith the US that can put a 5th generation stealth fighter attack aircraft on a purpose built 70,200 ton super carrier. That has a 10:1 kill ratio over every 4th gen western fighter?

Doubters think, " the claims " :) are QE coz price is a waste better the RN have in more several combattants including SSNs
For price sure overcost but majority of modern programms ! have in general 10 -20 % so it is not a exception...

Facts are :
- The 2 QE with also SDSR 2010... have in fact costed the 4 Broadsword Batch III not old only 20 years when was retired in more very decent FFG versatiles only things not VLS for Sea Wolf but IIRC has more in magazines 48 and 2 launchers with 6 still good.

- For duty/misssions in different areas it is certain 19 combattants and 7 SSNs are a number a little low he miss about at less 2 - 4 i think same problem in French Navy and ofc ! in Europeans navies except Italian and Greece/Turkey but for others reasons mainly their antagonism...

But even despite i have mentionned to point 2/ remains interesting for a Navy of 2nd rank as RN have CV for projection power offensive 36 F-35B ... and CAP provide a better defense even now if AEGIS like ships are very capable coz range with SAMs max about 150 km, a CAP with even Helos AEW surely minimum 300 km, with E-2 we can guestimate to about 500 km considering AEW system is positionned between CV and ennemy about.

Last things the F-35B not bad ofc but clearly less capable than a F-35C range inferior of 30 % and 2 int HP and 2 externals are limited to 1000 lbs vs 2000 for A/C do 2 tons in less... especialy for A2G weapons big bombs, missiles normaly not.
But not a problem for A2A load same number of AAMs max 10 after 12+ but not 6 Meteor more big than AIM-120 don't fit in int weap bays with Block 4 so remains to 10 or more dépends adaptators as F-18/22 have under the wings.
 
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cockneyjock1974

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MBDA is making a shortened version of meteor to fit in the F35B's bomb bay.

When fitted with the proposed drop tanks it will increase the fuel on the aircraft by 8000 lbs which is a 60% increase. That's just over 21,000 lbs I believe. Obviously the main factor here is can she lift that amount of fuel plus ordnance off a STOVL carrier??

Just to clarify are you saying La Royale and RN are 2nd tier navies? As far as I'm concerned they're top tier.
 

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HMS Queen Elizabeth in Portsmouth, taken by an Airbus Pleiades satellite.

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FORBIN

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MBDA is making a shortened version of meteor to fit in the F35B's bomb bay.

When fitted with the proposed drop tanks it will increase the fuel on the aircraft by 8000 lbs which is a 60% increase. That's just over 21,000 lbs I believe. Obviously the main factor here is can she lift that amount of fuel plus ordnance off a STOVL carrier??

Just to clarify are you saying La Royale and RN are 2nd tier navies? As far as I'm concerned they're top tier.
2nd rank, Navies for capacities/power are classified by rank about up to 5th for minors.
 
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FORBIN

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MBDA is making a shortened version of meteor to fit in the F35B's bomb bay.

When fitted with the proposed drop tanks it will increase the fuel on the aircraft by 8000 lbs which is a 60% increase. That's just over 21,000 lbs I believe. Obviously the main factor here is can she lift that amount of fuel plus ordnance off a STOVL carrier??

Obi Wan Russell

F-35B according infos i have can't take off vertically with weapons or few ? while AV-8B can, to full load also ?
But no problem for short take-off on CV/LHD/LHA

Never see a more compact variant " shortened " , this one is normal or shortened version ?
Shortened for fit inside or for put more, different...

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cockneyjock1974

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Never see a more compact variant, this one is normal or shortened version ? normal for put more or necessary shortened for fit, different...
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If I recall it's the missile fins that are shortened but I could be wrong. Disagree with the 2nd rank Navy, if that's the case only the US is 1st tier. Remember outwith the USN only Great Britain and France can provide effect amphibious assault from sea. Admittedly not in our case until QE is ready. The MOD are studying ways of getting her up to speed by 2019 only in a national emergency though.
 

FORBIN

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If I recall it's the missile fins that are shortened but I could be wrong. Disagree with the 2nd rank Navy, if that's the case only the US is 1st tier. Remember outwith the USN only Great Britain and France can provide effect amphibious assault from sea. Admittedly not in our case until QE is ready. The MOD are studying ways of getting her up to speed by 2019 only in a national emergency though.

As AIM-120C now D and A/B 45 vs 53 cm... but for put 6 vs 4 internaly in the F-22...A/B fit... i don' t think possible put internaly 6 Meteor.

2nd rank for France/UK coz number of combattants so low, versatile they are.
 
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