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Obi Wan Russell said:
I've been searching for a while now and can't find those figures anywhere. I'll keep looking, but it's a little strange that all the official publications seem to have glossed over those statistics. Perhaps since they are being built in South Korea it falls under the umbrella of 'commercially sensitive', but I can't be sure.
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Thank you my Friend ! but very new class and cargo capacity is always the more difficult to find for soon normaly we can catch, do 37000 t than Ft Victoria the more capable Repl Ships
I think a capacity of around 15 - 18000 t about 15000 t of fuel ships+Aviation and solid, log but really no sure he carry ordnance.

Qty for RFA Repl Ships :
T of Ammos ; Fuel ships/Aviation a big majority for ships ; Log food etc...
Wave x 2 : ? ; 12800+ 800 with ammos
Rover x 2 : - + 5800 + - + 1200 ;
Ft Victoria x 1: 5000 + 9600 + 3500
Ft Austin x 2 : 3500 + - + 4800
Argus x 1 : - + 5400 + not Repl Ship but can be used
A nice fleet.

Comparisons :

Only USA have more big the 3 classes 41 - 48000 t after Chinese 901 48000 t about, US carry 22 - 23000 t, Lewis and Clarck different less 12000 t but much ammos about 4500 t !

Sacramento retired 4 build predecessor of Supply same type fast combat support ship
is for few the more big Repl Ship never build 53000 t ! , fast 26 kn
Cargo fuel 22000 t, Mun 1950 t, Log 450 t ; Supply : 20000 + 1800 + 650

For ammos the max i have Kilauea replaced by Lewis and Clarck 6000 t !
For fuel : Australian Sirius do 47000 t carry about 28000 t ! Kaiser 23000 t but ofc not versatile the two...
Fedko class 20000 t fuel
But Sirius a commercial modified is low only 14 kn max...

For Orangeleaf retired i have 26000 t of fuel !
 
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Obi Wan Russell said:
I've been searching for a while now and can't find those figures anywhere. I'll keep looking, but it's a little strange that all the official publications seem to have glossed over those statistics. Perhaps since they are being built in South Korea it falls under the umbrella of 'commercially sensitive', but I can't be sure.
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My best info is that these ships originate, as I understand it, from the AEGIR fleet tankers that BMT offer in three sizes.

The AEGIR-10, AEGIR-18 and AEGIR-26 are 10,000 DWT, 18,000 DWT and 26,000 DWT respectively

The 10,000 DWT version an carry and can carry 8,000 m3 (2,100,000 US gal) 16,000 m3 (4,200,000 US gal).

The 18,000 DTW version can carry 16,000 m3 (4,200,000 US gal).

The 26,000 ton DWT version can carry 24,000 m3 (6,300,000 US gal) of fuel.

The AEGIR-18R replenishment ship trades a third of its fuel capacity for 1,350 m3 (48,000 cu ft) of dry stores in an extended superstructure. The standard AEGIR-18 has less range (10,000 nautical miles (19,000 km; 12,000 mi)) and is slower (18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)) than the British version.

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"More ships". Where?
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"... It takes a hell of a lot of creative accounting to talk about "more ships" just because a bunch of OPVs have been ordered as an emergency stopgap measure."
so it could be interesting to see that official announcement
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The 4 Tide repace 2 Leaf very big Oiler 49000 t carry 26000 t fuel but civilian adapteda and low 14 kn and 2 small Rover 12000 t so an important gain for logistic fleet.
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The Repl ships remains to 9 and i think a new class ordered for replaced Fort Austin dry stores ship carry much ammos.
In more Argus can be used than a little oiler.

Ft Victoria true Combat Support have 23 years and Wave Oilers with somme ammos 13 years not old.

After in fact RN gain 2 big CV ! have always 19 DDG/FFG, 7 SSN and lost 3 MS on 15.
And provided by RAF but gain 9 P-8 very important as we have see recently... and for SSBN deployment.

So no comparison with 2010.
 
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The 4 Tide ...
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As of now, the Royal Navy and Royal Fleet Auxiliary have:

- Lost RFA Diligence 4 years early; without any real replacement plan being in the works, removing one unique and very precious capability which used to set the Royal Navy apart from other european navies, which no not have a comparable forwards repair vessel which also doubled up as submarine tender.
Very damaging loss, for very little money saved.

- RFA Tidespring is many months late, for reasons no one really know. She is now not due in the UK before "early 2017", and after that it'll take a while to complete her fitting out and put her through final sea trials. She was originally expected in service this month.
In the meanwhile, it is almost certain that RFA Gold Rover will go out of service by the end of this year, as planned, Her deployment to the South Atlantic was meant to be the last hurrah of her service life, with decommissioning once back home. Her replacement was meant to be ready, but it will not be for several more months.

HMS Lancaster and HMS Dauntless are in reserve, tied into port as "harbour training ships" many months before entering refit, most likely because the manpower crisis has gotten bad enough to require this sort of pauses.
Lancaster should enter refit in mid 2017 and Dauntless around the end of the year. They won't deploy again before 2018 at the earliest.

That is a loss of four deployable hulls for zero gain in 2016.
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After in fact RN gain 2 big CV ! have always 19 DDG/FFG, 7 SSN and lost 3 MS on 15.
And provided by RAF but gain 9 P-8 very important as we have see recently... and for SSBN deployment.

So no comparison with 2010.
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2017 should eventually see HMS Queen Elizabeth delivered, but 2018 will see HMS Ocean bowing out in exchange.
The River Batch 2 patrol vessel HMS Forth will enter service, but apparently HMS Clyde, the Falklands Patrol Ship, will promptly be dropped out of service by not renewing her lease (she is still RN operated but contractor owned). The idea seems to be to send HMS Forth down south to replace her.
4 more River Batch 2s are expected to enter service over the next few years, but the 3 River Batch 1s will be removed in exchange, meaning that there is going to be at most 1 extra OPV. The SDSR says "up to six" OPVs (up from 4), but by the look of things 5 is the actual number.

The SDSR also announced that the 3 oldest Sandown class minesweepers will be removed from service by 2025 at the latest.


The permanent losses the RN and RFA face this year and over the next few are:

- HMS Ocean
- 3x Sandown class minesweepers
- 3x River Batch 1
- 1x River Batch 1 - Helicopter (HMS Clyde)
- RFA Diligence
- x2 Rover class tankers

Also, the first Type 23 frigate is due out of service in 2023 and there's no telling yet if there will be a Type 26 ready to take her place.


The new hulls entering service are:

HMS Queen Elizabeth
HMS Prince of Wales
5x River Batch 2s
4x Tide class tankers

That's 11 ships going out, and 11 coming in. At most, the number of hulls will roughly float at the same level. And even this only if we exclude the ships that have already been lost since 2010, and the two mothballed escorts.

The losses since 2010 include also:

HMS Ark Royal
HMS Illustrious
4x Type 22 frigates
RFA Fort George
2x Point class Strategic Sealift Vessels
RFA Largs Bay
RFA Bayleaf
RFA Orangeleaf
1 Albion class LPD mothballed
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Jura said:
"More ships". Where?
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"... It takes a hell of a lot of creative accounting to talk about "more ships" just because a bunch of OPVs have been ordered as an emergency stopgap measure."
so it could be interesting to see that official announcement
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LOL you quote Blogger :) i am not sure you understand my point Mr Jura ;)

Only some ships late for few months RN get the number planned build and ordered.
Embarrasing, stupid especially for Tide, matters of crew but nothing grave :cool:

For the 2 combattants right now unavailable embarrassing ofc but if they are need they get ready fast.

RN is a Navy of 2nd Rank as France and China ( new some say again 3th for soon 2nd )
Weakeness as others Navis in Europe so low number of combattants to provide for deployments without eventual problems in fact she needs about 4 MSC in more, the 4 Type 22 retired ...but 2 new CV to funds... and about 2 SSNs, 2 Swiftsure not replaced...

But again more important recover MPA lost in 2010 now planned.
 
Obi Wan Russell

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Daring class ! with Harpoons all get fited for receive but only 4 launcher lots !
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Well we had four spare after the T22B3 Frigates were paid off. Just goes to show how tight the UK Government is that they won't stump up for another two sets of Launchers. Even our stock of Phalanx guns is currently a shared item between fleet units, barely enough to go around.
 
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