U.S VS Iran getting close

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BLUEJACKET

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IMO those drones may also be just older fighters like
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at the end of their useful lives anyway. They may also outfit their US-made F-14s with ASMs-
it is believed that Soviet and Russian expertise has allowed Iran to operate, maintain, and upgrade the F-14 fleet. The aircraft are reportedly being upgraded with a new Russian radar, engines, and a glass cockpit allowing them to serve until well into the 21st century. The Iranian press has further indicated that the surviving aircraft have been adapted for a heavy bombing roll, perhaps armed with air-to-surface anti-ship missiles. Some 50 to 55 are believed to remain in service, but only about 30 of these are considered airworthy at any one time.
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, some of which are also US-supplied (even no longer viable, they could be reverse-engineered):
1978
Iran expects to receive a shipment of AGM-84 Harpoon radar-guided anti-ship missiles (ASMs) from the McDonnell Douglas Corporation.
—"Harpoon Warranty Proposed to Navy," Aviation Week & Space Technology, 27 March 1978, in Lexis-Nexis, <http://www.lexis-nexis.com/>.
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Britain plays down claims of Tehran role
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lcortez

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Sorry bro, but he never said that we was going to wipe Israel off the map. That never came out of his mouth. He was referring Israel to the Soviet Union and said the government of Israel should dissapear. He never mentioned anything about killing a single Israeli man, woman, or child. Read over his exact speech and you'll find out. Also, Iran had WMD's during the Iran-Iraq war but never decided to use them. A country is more likely to commit a crime if it has already done so in the past. One last thing is that Ahmadinijad has no real authority in Iran, the real power lies with the ayotollahs, most of whom don't like Ahmanijiad's behaviour at all these days. The recipe of disaster is to start a war with Iran over inconclusive evidence.
Cant find exact speech on internet,looked on A's personal website,not there.However after looking elsewhere accept he did not use the exact phrase 'wiped of the map',however have found some other tranlations;
1:Juan Cole,University of Michigan,Proff of Modern Middle East &South Asian History,translates thus;'this regime occupyin Jerusalam(een rezhime-e ishghalgar -e - qods) must vanish from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye rurgar mahv shavad).
2:Middle East Research Institute;'this regime that is occupyin Qods (Jerusalam) must be eliminated from the pages of history'.
Maybe the translation that was initially given was incorrect,however it seems pretty clear that,whatever the form of words, the meaning behind them remains the same,there are many ways to say the same thing.
Agree that the mullahs in Iran are attempting to restrain A's behaviour,however this also begs the question,why are they?
Again nit sure how to post links,but website add for A is,
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bd popeye

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Excellent well thought out post Neutral zone.:)

The Iranians claimed that one of their drones overflew the USS Ronald Reagan in the Straits of Hormuz a year or 2 ago, but people who have seen the film state that the type of aircraft shown on the carrier suggested that the film was taken many years earlier.

Ahemm. I've stated this before ..so here I go again. On the dates the Iranians claim their UAV overflew the USS Ronald Reagan(CVN-76) the had just exited the Persain Gulf and was on it's way to Maylasia. The film, in my eyes, showed F-14's and S-3 on the flight deck. CVN-76 did not have either type aircraft onboard during it's deployment.

Where did the film come from? The Iranians in years past routinely overflew USN CV's in the Gulf with their P-3's. I've seen that myself in the Indian Ocean in 1981 while onboard the USS America(CV-66) several times. The Iranian P-3 were always intercepted by USN Tomacts.

BLUEJACKET sez;

IMO those drones may also be just older fighters like F-6 (China J-6) at the end of their useful lives anyway. They may also outfit their US-made F-14s with ASMs

Could be. Very likely in fact. I doubt if very many could get through USN AAW. As for the Iranian Tomcats I doubt if Iran has more than 12-15 operational.
 

Finn McCool

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I do not think war is imminent in Iran. I think both sides might have seen the brink this summer during the Israel-Hezbollah war, and decided that they were no ready and must jockey for position more. Think about it. Since then Hezbollah has tried to take over the Lebanese government, Iran has (apparently, I think that it is only partially true) to supply Shiite insurgents, the US has sent troops to Iraq for the "troop surge" and deployed more hardware to the area. You might be thinking "Well Finn that seems like they are headed for war". But look closely. Iran and the US are more locked in a Cold War, trying to counter each others political moves in the region, match each other's military hardware and diminish each others position if war were to come. Iran and the US are still both trying to lay the groundwork for war on favorable terms indicating that war is not imminent (as in the next few months imminent). In fact I think that the US is the one preparing for offensive action, Iran understands that and is trying to undermine the US's strategic position for a possible conflict.

I agree with Zergling and Popeye that the propaganda mill here in the US is building strength on Iran.

As for Iranian subs attacking the US, I would say it is very unlikely but it is possible. Columbian drug cartels have used submarines to cross the Carribean and deliver drugs to the US (or at least they tried, I think the police might have found the sub before it was used).

I think the issue of Iranian presence on islands in the Gulf has been overlooked. This gives them an ideal position to interrrupt oil traffic and I believe that in any conflict between the US and Iran the US Marines would make several landings.

Larak Island-It is the main oil terminal for Iranian exports. It is towards the South end of the Gulf and is home to several batteries of HY-2 Silkworm missles and other armament.

Abu Musa-At the mouth of the Straits of Hormuz. The Iranians have invested heavily in it, with an airport and port facilities. IRGC troops are stationed here as well as Hawk SAM and AAA batteries. This island also has Silkworms.It is fortified and has a small number of tanks and an unknown amount of artillery. It is also unknown whether of not there are C-801s on the island.

Queshem Island-A large and heavily populated island directly across from Musandam, Oman. It is thought to also have Silkworm batteries and aerial defences. This is not a likely site for a landing because of its size and population and because it does not directly block the Straits.

Sirri Island-Near Queshem Island. It is very small, and not populated. There is no information on the status of weapons here after 1995 when there was one Seersucker missle.

Many of these targets could be taken care of by airstrikes but the problem of artillery, sea mines crude rockets, and even (as we saw in the Lebanon War) cruise missles is not easily or quickly solved from the air. Thus I think in any potential conflict I believe there would be landing/s on one or more of these islands to keep the oil flowing.

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BLUEJACKET

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On the dates the Iranians claim their UAV overflew the USS Ronald Reagan(CVN-76) the had just exited the Persain Gulf and was on it's way to Maylasia. The film, in my eyes, showed F-14's and S-3 on the flight deck. CVN-76 did not have either type aircraft onboard during it's deployment.
The water color in the video is consistent with both Persian and Oman Gulfs, (I've been there!) and to me those parked planes were F-18s. I wish it showed the deck in closeup!
In Northern Iraq, Another War Looms- that may draw in Iran too!
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Bush maintains pressure on Iran
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bd popeye

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The water color in the video is consistent with both Persian and Oman Gulfs, (I've been there!) and to me those parked planes were F-18s. I wish it showed the deck in closeup!

I'm not going to argue with you. I've been those places also.

I agree about the quality of the video. We need a better close up. That would end the speculation. Each one of us will see what we think we see.
 

akihh

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The
Pentagon announced plans to maintain some 27,000 US troops in
Afghanistan -- the most since it went to war there more than five years ago -- to try to crush a resurgence of the Taliban.
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The moves have pushed US force levels in the country to 27,000, the most US boots on the ground since the United States launched Operation Enduring Freedom in October 2001
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The 173rd "has been preparing to go and today we're announcing that instead of going to
Iraq it's going to Afghanistan,"
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Well if US is planning to attack Iran, they'd need some additional troops in Afghanistan too, just to keep it somewhat secured. Any word on extra aircraft deployed there?
 

BLUEJACKET

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I know some will not believe that Iran has stealthy drones-
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The US military is reporting the deaths of 6 US troops in Iraq. Four were killed by a roadside bomb in Sunni-majority Diyala Province where the US has been fighting Sunni Arab guerrillas. Another was killed "north of Baghdad" (i.e. Sunni territory). The sixth was a non-combat death. Despite the brouhaha about alleged Iranian support to Shiite militias, The five KIAs were all killed by Sunni Arabs who are hostile to Iran. This situation is the typical one in Iraq. So why isn't Bush talking about Sunni Arab insurgents instead of about Iran? (See Gareth Porter on this issue-- he shows that the recent US briefing demonstrated the opposite of what it was going for; also
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Austrian rifles sold to Iran are showing up in the hands of Iraqi snipers. Iran is notorious for its black market arms smuggling (in which Ronald Reagan and Ollie North once got involved). I guess now Bush will have no option but to go to war with Austria. I hate to tell Arnie, this, but Washington has been known to intern foreign nationals in California of countries against whom we are at war . . .
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bd popeye

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I believe the article about Iran building more drones.

I would expect to see their older aircraft loaded like kamakazies in the advent of war.
 

coolieno99

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This is a real troubling development.

Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 7:05pm GMT 13/02/2007

# Audio: Revelation makes US action against Iran more likely, says Thomas Harding

Austrian sniper rifles that were exported to Iran have been discovered in the hands of Iraqi terrorists, The Daily Telegraph has learned.
More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids.
A Steyr HS50 rifle, Austrian supplied rifles, arms trade, Iran equipping Iraq insurgents. The Steyr HS50 is a long range, high precision rifle
The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year.
The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops.
Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon.
Over the last six months American forces have found small caches of the £10,000 rifles but in the last 24 hours a raid in Baghdad brought the total to more than 100, US defence sources reported.
The find is the latest in a series of discoveries that indicate that Teheran is providing support to Iraq's Shia insurgents.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran.
They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons.
The discovery of the sniper rifles will further encourage those in Washington who want to see Iran's uranium-enriching facilities destroyed before a nuclear weapon is produced.
The Foreign Office expressed "serious concerns" over the sale of the rifles last year and Britain protested to the Austrian government.
A Foreign Office spokesman said last night: "Although we did make our worries known the sale unfortunately went ahead and now the potential that these weapons could fall into the wrong hands appears to have happened."
The rifle can pierce all body armour from up to a mile and penetrate armoured Humvee troop carriers.
It is highly accurate and fires a round called an armour piercing incendiary, a bullet that the Iranians manufacture.
The National Iranian Police Organisation bought the rifles allegedly to use them against drug smugglers in an £8 million order placed with Steyr in 2005.
The company was given permission to export them by the Austrian government, which is not a Nato member.
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