Type 52C VS. Arleigh Burke
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darth sidious said:Rommel
the sea dart is NOT capable the targeting radr is a meteric wave one designed in the 50s also one target must be destoryed befored the next can be targeted so some aircraft always got through
PS ageis is also not combat proven you keep on saying the chinese system
is unproven and so on why dont you talk about problem of the americans!!!!
the harpoon can not be compared to the YJ_62
why is shot range and slow speed not a problme !!!!!
The Sea Dart is extremely accurate for pinpoint defence, I know that the Sea Dart can shot down incoming sea-skimming missile and I heard that a Sea Dart even shot down a artillery shell once...
The AEGIS is not combat proven, but the Harpoon is, the Tomahawk (only the LACM) is also
I'm also sure that combat exercise of the US level can reflect well, but not perfectly a real combat.
Short Range and low speed is not a problem. The Exocet was pretty good, it goes to the same speed as a harpon and have even shorter range. Like Sea Dog said, under combat condition, you rarely shot from the maximum distance. I give an exemple, very simple one, the infantry, during world war II, most of the rifle have a effective range of over 1000m, but most infantry combat range was from 100m to 250m. I guessed it's the same thing for the Navy
rommel said:
Its pretty obvious why humans and machines don't fight at maxium range. Eg if an anti-ship missile has a max range of 200km and its fired at that distance, the enemy only has to sail away from the missile beyond the missile's maxium range to get out of the problem.
You are confusing Sea Dart with Sea Wolf.
Sea Wolf is the short range missile capable of destroying incoming missiles, aircraft and shells, while Sea Dart is the long range missile.
Sea Wolf is fired by sextiple rotating launchers or 16 or 32 round verticle launchers, the missile coming in two varients. Only the sextiple launcher version was available in the Falklands conflict, and the system operated outstandingly well. As it did in the 1991 Gulf Conflict.
Sea Dart is fired by rotating twin launchers, and is one of only two(?) such NATO systems capable of automatic reloading in seconds. Whoever said only one missile could be fired at a time, and that they are guided by a 50's era radar, is wrong. The missile and radar entred service in the late 70's with the Type 42's, while the radar has an exceptionally long tracking range, although of conventional design. Due to Sea Dart, in the Falklands the Argentinians (also operating Sea Dart and knowing its abilities), were forced to fly exceptionaly low, to avoid its engagement envelope. The missile didnt rack up many kills in the conflict (which included an unfortunate friendly fire incident on a low flying army scout helicopter). In the Gulf War of 1991 the system successfully engaged two Chinese Silkworm missiles.
Both missile systems are getting a bit old now days though, and soon will be replaced in British service by Aster 15/30.
The verticle launch system for Sea Wolf, is the same as that for verticle launch MICA however, so upgrade is easy.
Sea Wolf is the short range missile capable of destroying incoming missiles, aircraft and shells, while Sea Dart is the long range missile.
Sea Wolf is fired by sextiple rotating launchers or 16 or 32 round verticle launchers, the missile coming in two varients. Only the sextiple launcher version was available in the Falklands conflict, and the system operated outstandingly well. As it did in the 1991 Gulf Conflict.
Sea Dart is fired by rotating twin launchers, and is one of only two(?) such NATO systems capable of automatic reloading in seconds. Whoever said only one missile could be fired at a time, and that they are guided by a 50's era radar, is wrong. The missile and radar entred service in the late 70's with the Type 42's, while the radar has an exceptionally long tracking range, although of conventional design. Due to Sea Dart, in the Falklands the Argentinians (also operating Sea Dart and knowing its abilities), were forced to fly exceptionaly low, to avoid its engagement envelope. The missile didnt rack up many kills in the conflict (which included an unfortunate friendly fire incident on a low flying army scout helicopter). In the Gulf War of 1991 the system successfully engaged two Chinese Silkworm missiles.
Both missile systems are getting a bit old now days though, and soon will be replaced in British service by Aster 15/30.
The verticle launch system for Sea Wolf, is the same as that for verticle launch MICA however, so upgrade is easy.
KlubMarcus
Banned Idiot
Yep! With radar planes, subs, drones, picket ships, satellites, and etc. working for the USA, it's going to be very difficult for the PLAN to get close enough to get good range and bearing figures to launch an anti-ship missile. Let's assume that they do. That means that the PLAN missile will be airborne for 15+ minutes. Plenty of time for the USN to detect, turn the ships to buy time, launch decoys, and send an airstrike on a reverse heading. The PLAN commanders aren't dumb so they know they have to get closer or stay close to the mainland. That leaves reduces their options.Mr_C said:
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
i think the plan plans to stay near the mainland in war. under tghe protection of ground planes, radar, sams, and aaa, the plan warships are safe. from their haven, plan destroyer missles can form a detterent against the u.s cvbg, so the cvbg will never get within 200 km of the strait. this limits the optionsw of the cvbg.
KlubMarcus
Banned Idiot
Good! That's where we want Chinese shipping, close to port where they are supposed to be. :roll: So any invasion of Taiwan will fail without a sea re-supply and US forces are free to roam beyond China's horizon plotting mischief.MIGleader said:
200 km away from the strait / chinese shore isn't really going to do that much. Yeah, it can limit the strikes past the shore, inland, but as for the shore, it's still well into the range of a F18 E/F. Carrying two external tanks of 1800 liters each, which still enables it to carry enough of bombs and missiles, superhornet can strike a target 700 kilometers away, loitering over it for five minutes if needed and get back to the carrier, without refuelling. Without loitering i'm guessing that figure is closer to 750 km.