Type 52C VS. Arleigh Burke

Now that the type 52C page has been updated with more information, comparison between it and the Arleigh Burke is now possible. What do you guys think? Compare them in terms of AAW, ASHW, ASW, Command and Control, Design, and general technological level.

We still don't know shit about the 052C so we cannot make these kind of comparisons. Or do you have anything that rest of us haven't noticed? Sofar there's no clear evidence about the capapilityes of the chinese ships radar system...there's still too much depate on their orgin (An ukrainian one or domestic system). Also the missile systems (SAMs and SSMs) are in the mist. The mainpage says that it carryes the HQ-9 system, but at least i havent come agross any info related on this supposed SAM other than it's said to based on the S-300 series missiles. And the SSMs are even bigger mystery...i'm not going to even guess what is planned to be inside those cannisters.

We can only make hypothetical comparision whit these two ships, based on theoretical assumptions about the 052C capapilityes, but whats the point? You can always say that, hey you can't prove that there's no hard evidence that the ship carryes them....and the Alreigh Burke beats the 052C 6-0...

Altogether we shouldn't make any comparions between two rival weapon system unless we know exactly what we are comparising to each others.

if thats the case than, base it off of what we know and can assume, like the performance of the s-300 and c-803 combined with what we know about the hq-9 and c-805. the radar must be better than the one on the 52 b at least.

Gollevainen said:

We still don't know shit about the 052C so we cannot make these kind of comparisons. Or do you have anything that rest of us haven't noticed? Sofar there's no clear evidence about the capapilityes of the chinese ships radar system...there's still too much depate on their orgin (An ukrainian one or domestic system). Also the missile systems (SAMs and SSMs) are in the mist. The mainpage says that it carryes the HQ-9 system, but at least i havent come agross any info related on this supposed SAM other than it's said to based on the S-300 series missiles. And the SSMs are even bigger mystery...i'm not going to even guess what is planned to be inside those cannisters.

We can only make hypothetical comparision whit these two ships, based on theoretical assumptions about the 052C capapilityes, but whats the point? You can always say that, hey you can't prove that there's no hard evidence that the ship carryes them....and the Alreigh Burke beats the 052C 6-0...

Altogether we shouldn't make any comparions between two rival weapon system unless we know exactly what we are comparising to each others.

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All I can say is that the Burke, with the latest Aegis weapons system and the ability to change its magazine load to suite its mission, will wipe the floor of a squadron of 052C.

max speed
52C: 29 knots Burke: 31 knots
Crew
52C: 280 Burke: 300
Displacement
52C: 6500 tonne Burke: 8300 tonne
Sensors
52C: 517H-1 for long-range 2D air search radar
two Type 327G for CIWS
Burke: AN/SPY-1D 3-D Radar
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Radar
AN/SPS-64(V)9 Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
AN/SQQ-28(V) LAMPS III
AN/SQR-19(V) TACTAS Sonar (I have no idea what these are)

Helicopters
52C: two Russian Ka-28 Halix-A ASW/SAR
Burke: Two multi-purpose Light Airborne Multipurpose System LAMPS MK III helicopters

Air Defense:
52C: 48 cells HQ-9
Burke: 90 cells

ASM:
52C: YJ-85 (range is 200 KM, although I read 52B hit something 210 KM away in the sino-russian military exercise, maybe supersonic)
Burke: Harpoon (> 60 nautic mile, not supersonic)

CIWS:
52C: two (one front, one rear) Type 730 close-in weapon system (CIWS) for short-range air defence (max 4,600~5,800 rounds/min)
Burke: Two MK 15 MOD 12 20mm Close-in-Weapons Systems (Phalanx Mounts) (max 4,500 rounds/min)

Anti-sub:
52C: two triple 324mm Yu-7 (Mk-46 Mod 1) antisubmarine torpedo tubes
Burke: Two MK 32 MOD 14 Triple Torpedo Tubes (six MK 50/46 Torpedoes)

It seems 52C does alright with ASM, CIWS and Anti-sub, but gets hammered on the air defense which probably has less cells and less range. I don't particularly like the Russian helicopters either. I'm not sure, maybe WZ-10 will fill the void in the future?

I mentioned it before, on the previous forum.


It would be an extremely strange circumstance by which a single US vessel woul have to go toe to toe with any other, as they always run in groups. However, the likelihood is, the Burke would win, based on systems and crew efficiency and experience.

are you kidding me!!!! in a one on one, 52c would win due to it's better ASHW and stealth. now add in subs and planes, and the outcome would vary.
I'm sure both sides have well trained crews.
typhuang, dont forget the burke and 52c have anti sub rockets aswell.

MIGleader said:

are you kidding me!!!! in a one on one, 52c would win due to it's better ASHW and stealth. now add in subs and planes, and the outcome would vary.
I'm sure both sides have well trained crews.
typhuang, dont forget the burke and 52c have anti sub rockets aswell.

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Thats exactly what i ment. How can you say that 052C have better SSMs? what particular SSMs it does posses? Then how can you state that the Aegis system is weak aganst them? And what comes to the sthealth...you know the "sthealt" features on the 052C hull is just, well hmm sthealt...it's only eyefooling. The superstructure and the masts are enough to provide radar cross sectors...i beting Alreigh Burke class have better shtealt than the chinese ships...and ASW rockets...??....they are useless whitout sonar...do you know waht kind of sonar there is in the 052C?

052c is an unknown.

And to be quite honest, I don't see how the PLAN can catch up to a system that has been constantly updated in the last 20 years.

MIGleader said:

are you kidding me!!!! in a one on one, 52c would win due to it's better ASHW and stealth. now add in subs and planes, and the outcome would vary.
I'm sure both sides have well trained crews.
typhuang, dont forget the burke and 52c have anti sub rockets aswell.

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16 Supersonic sea skimming missiles arriving at the same will not even strain the anti-air systems of the Burke.

052C is not stealth!!! It has just some features that reduce its radar cross sections that were BADLY implemented. Just look at its mask and see how many cylindrical and spherical radar domes. In fact, the Burke may have a smaller radar cross section.

S-300 is a good SAm against aircraft, not against a highly manueverable sea skimming missile such as the harpoon. A salvo of 8, will put the 052 to the bottom of the sea.

ASW rockets!!!!! They are good against World War II submarines but have no combat value against the USN.