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Aiming TF and Hürjet, BNA is now Nurol Control and Avionics​


BNA, which was established to contribute to the aerospace and Defence industry as a Turkish-British partnership, will continue as Nurol Control and Avionics with 100% Turkish capital and contribute to the Hürjet and National Combat Aircraft (TF) projects.

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CasualObserver

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A better image … but I‘m still surprised how much it dramatically differs to the mock-up.

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Ever since the 2018 Paris Airshow and Turkey's expulsion from the F-35 program; it has been said by officials over and over that the mock-up has almost no resemblence to the real aircraft itself. Furthermore, in the 2020 Airforce presentation we saw the real design for the first time, but (I'm not trying to slander you or anything) many outsiders who don't follow the development at all including yourself have said that it is not representative of the real aircraft and compared the situation to the Indians and their mock-ups.

Anyway, the reasons for the design change have already been discussed many times till date and I believe you can find them on the pages between 180 and 190s (?)
 

BoraTas

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Starting from last November, Aksungur production rate has been raised to 1 per month. From May next year, two Aksungurs will be produced per month.

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Aksungur will be especially useful for ASW thanks to its endurance. Outside of that, I think Baykar got the "high payload high endurance UAV" concept right with the Akinci. The Akinci is simply a lot more versatile aircraft and can actually replace F-16s in most air-to-ground operations in Northern Iraq and Syria. In fact, since we can replace losses on our own and it is cheaper, it is a better choice in many cases. I expect most of the TurAF's orders to be Akinci aircraft rather than the Aksungur, just like what's going on right now. Aksungur is basically a bigger Anka.

Ever since the 2018 Paris Airshow and Turkey's expulsion from the F-35 program; it has been said by officials over and over that the mock-up has almost no resemblence to the real aircraft itself. Furthermore, in the 2020 Airforce presentation we saw the real design for the first time, but (I'm not trying to slander you or anything) many outsiders who don't follow the development at all including yourself have said that it is not representative of the real aircraft and compared the situation to the Indians and their mock-ups.

Anyway, the reasons for the design change have already been discussed many times till date and I believe you can find them on the pages between 180 and 190s (?)
AFAIK, the MMU was supposed to be an air-to-air focused aircraft. I think the requirements for stealth, range, and payload went up drastically after we got expulsed. We may very well end up with an aircraft that is heavier than the J-20 and F-22. 65,000 lbf is a lot of thrust after all.
 

Deino

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Why are you surprised? Didn't we have a hot discussion about this a year ago or so? Was I not right?

In fact as I already admitted, I'm most surprised by the results. However I am also surprised since it looks so much different to the mock-up.
In fact I cannot explain it properly, but something is a bit strange ... I think we'll need more images from the sides.
 

sequ

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In fact as I already admitted, I'm most surprised by the results. However I am also surprised since it looks so much different to the mock-up.
In fact I cannot explain it properly, but something is a bit strange ... I think we'll need more images from the sides.
No Deino, we did have a hot discussion about what the MMU will eventually look like. And again, you were/are wrong. I'm not going to spoonfeed you by directly linking to the said discussion, but I'll quote CasualObserver:

Ever since the 2018 Paris Airshow and Turkey's expulsion from the F-35 program; it has been said by officials over and over that the mock-up has almost no resemblence to the real aircraft itself. Furthermore, in the 2021 Airforce presentation we saw the real design for the first time, but (I'm not trying to slander you or anything) many outsiders who don't follow the development at all including yourself have said that it is not representative of the real aircraft and compared the situation to the Indians and their mock-ups.

Anyway, the reasons for the design change have already been discussed many times till date and I believe you can find them on the pages between 180 and 190s (?)
 

schrage musik

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In fact as I already admitted, I'm most surprised by the results. However I am also surprised since it looks so much different to the mock-up.
In fact I cannot explain it properly, but something is a bit strange ... I think we'll need more images from the sides.
A mockup of this design was already revealed at this year's Farnborough in July. It was even posted in this very thread. Here, I found it for you:
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