Trump 2.0 official thread

Elevenz

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The United States will (i) modify the application of the additional ad valorem rate of duty on articles of China (including articles of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and the Macau Special Administrative Region) set forth in Executive Order 14257 of April 2, 2025, by suspending 24 percentage points of that rate for an initial period of 90 days, while retaining the remaining ad valorem rate of 10 percent on those articles pursuant to the terms of said Order; and (ii) removing the modified additional ad valorem rates of duty on those articles imposed by Executive Order 14259 of April 8, 2025 and Executive Order 14266 of April 9, 2025.


China will (i) modify accordingly the application of the additional ad valorem rate of duty on articles of the United States set forth in Announcement of the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council No. 4 of 2025, by suspending 24 percentage points of that rate for an initial period of 90 days, while retaining the remaining additional ad valorem rate of 10 percent on those articles, and removing the modified additional ad valorem rates of duty on those articles imposed by Announcement of the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council No. 5 of 2025 and Announcement of the Customs Tariff Commission of the State Council No. 6 of 2025; and (ii) adopt all necessary administrative measures to suspend or remove the non-tariff countermeasures taken against the United States since April 2, 2025.
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I guess the suspension of non-tariff countermeasures could be seen as a capitulation and potentially a sign of quietly rolling back the export control of REM except I'm pretty sure those have been in place for a while. If we take this literally, it seems most likely rolling back the Unreliable Entity List and some regulatory investigations? I mean this tariff stuff is basically a reset back to April 1, but it's not like this started on just April 2. Remember the whole Canada, Mexico, China stuff before this?

I fail to see how this is a capitulation in any way unless you believed the 4d go narrative that China was going to usher in the new global economic order. The official White House statement seems very reciprocal. It's just people cherrypicking which tariffs to talk about. We might as well say that US still has 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs so it's actually a complete surrender. The 30% vs 10% is just spin from a group who want to be seen as WINNING! China basically got what it claimed it wanted before talks would start, a complete cancellation of Liberation Day tariffs besides the 10% for both sides. I think it's fair to claim that there wouldn't be anything too big as what ended up happening is raising tariffs on each other over the course of a couple days and then reversing all of it in a weekend. It's not like this was particularly serious since it started with Trump unilaterally deciding to nuke trade with everyone. I don't think it's unreasonable to tell people to be prepared to fight because there is nothing wrong with taking him seriously when he said he wanted to decouple trade.

Also let's review what Trump's goals were for these tariffs in the first place:
1. Reshore manufacturing - Stated goal
2. Refinancing debt - Speculation based off his first blink as well as attacks on Powell
3. 4d Chess China Isolation - Claimed after the retaliation and 90-day 10% pause on the rest of the world
4. Stock Market Manipulation - Based off the constant schizo headlines

So, of these potential goals, which of them are the actual intended plan? It's definitely not 1. Could be 2 but rate cut doesn't seem to be coming, and yield rates have not budged. Doesn't seem to be 3 either given what just happened. 4 basically already happened so yeah.

Also, let's remind ourselves that TikTok is still getting extensions with no deal in sight. This will probably happen with the tariff extensions. Trump's lauded MASSIVE trade deal with a BIG country ended up being a borderline meaningless one with the UK (I believe this is the only one signed so far in over a month, and I think India talks were going well before US MSM started shittalking them). Trump managed to hype and spin that as a massive victory as well as all the other random stuff he claims as his massive wins. The stock market will rally over fake headlines lol.
 

SanWenYu

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The Chinese authorities are creating a cross-departmental and cross-regional special task groups to crack down smuggling of the "strategic minerals". So this should address the concerns if China will let go of the export controls.

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商务部网站5月12日消息,商务部新闻发言人就开展打击战略矿产走私出口专项行动应询答记者问。

问:我们注意到,近日国家出口管制工作协调机制办公室部署开展了打击战略矿产走私出口专项行动,请问专项行动是出于什么考虑?还将开展哪些工作?

答:
加强战略矿产资源出口管制事关国家安全和发展利益。我们对部分战略矿产实施出口管制以来,发现一些境外实体与境内不法人员相互勾结,企图通过走私等方式规避出口管制措施。为遏制走私等势头,国家出口管制工作协调机制办公室5月9日聚焦打击战略矿产走私,在广东省深圳市召开现场会并作出
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,近期还将组织一系列行动。

现场会进一步明确了商务部、公安部、国家安全部、海关总署、国家邮政局等部门在此次专项行动中的任务分工,要求各相关部门加强执法协作、严厉打击战略矿产走私出口、形成“齐抓共管”的高压态势,采取切实有效措施、坚决防止战略矿产非法外流。

各相关部门立即开展行动,针对近期在战略矿产领域出现的伪报瞒报、夹藏走私、“第三国”转口等企图规避出口管制的违法违规行为,迅速开展跨部门调查和案情会商,加大口岸查验和打击查处力度,深挖幕后非法实体和走私网络,从严从快查办违法案件,持续提升出口管制执法效力,切实维护国家安全和发展利益。

商务部网站消息,为深入贯彻党中央、国务院决策部署,2025年5月12日,国家出口管制工作协调机制办公室组织商务部、工业和信息化部、公安部、国家安全部、自然资源部、交通运输部、国务院国资委、海关总署、市场监管总局、国家邮政局等部门及内蒙古、江西、湖南、广东、广西、贵州、云南等战略矿产资源集中省份的地方主管部门在湖南省长沙市召开加强战略矿产出口全链条管控工作部署会。

会议指出,战略矿产出口管制事关国家安全和发展利益,加强出口全链条管控是关键。各部门、各地方要加强对本领域、本地区相关经营主体的培训指导与日常监管,坚持“预防在先,处置在前”,密切跟踪战略矿产流向,强化信息研判共享,及时做好预警和相关处置,严防战略矿产非法外流。

会议强调,各部门要密切配合,按照职责分工,认真履行战略矿产开采、冶炼、加工、运输、制造、销售、出口等各环节监管职责,切实加强全链条管控;各地方人民政府要强化属地监管责任,对本地区战略矿产出口全链条各环节企业进行系统摸排并建立台账,指导属地企业加强合规制度建设,提高企业合规意识和能力,合力确保管控措施落实到位。

会议要求,各部门、各地方要强化横向协同,贯通纵向配合,以坚决的态度和有力的措施推动战略矿产出口全链条管控工作取得实效,坚决维护国家安全和发展利益。
 

Wrought

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Another indirect cost of Trump's haphazard lack of commitment is the newfound risk premium on USD. This is another expression of public (investor) opinion, and demonstrates the cost of losing it.


The sharp fall in the Dollar after April 9 is significant. One week after announcing reciprocal tariffs, the US suspended them. In effect, the US looked like it was negotiating against itself and the sharp fall in the Dollar around that time looks like markets punished this policy volatility. All this is highly unusual. As I note above, the imposition of tariffs on the rest of the world should have seen the Dollar rise. No doubt, it will take a long time to undo Dollar reserve currency status, but this is the first time I’ve begun to worry that US reserve currency status is wobbling.

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henrik

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Not only did the tariffs collapsed but this is just the beginning. The climbdown in tariffs is to allow for negotiations in the next 90 days.

Judging by the complete removal of the reciprocal tariffs, I think we could end up with things like a BYD plant in the US or even loosen rules on semi-conductors (Trump already removed the 3rd party bans on NVIDIA.)

Trump has pretty much changed his tariffs story to "a way to get a deal" not as a de-coupling strategy. Getting Chinese investment (he said before he wouldn't mind BYD building in the US) or having NVIDIA sell more chips would be a "win" in his book.

This fucker in the long run might be better for Sino-American relations than Biden. LOL

If nvidia chips are allowed to be sold, will that affect local Chinese chips development?
 

Mt1701d

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What happens to the "de minimis" tariff? Will they be removed?
De minimis should be considered a global policy and not a China specific one, despite it disproportionately affecting China. So it would be considered in a similar vein to the RE export controls, and thus not considered within this agreement.
 

Wrought

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What happens to the "de minimis" tariff? Will they be removed?

It went to 54% instead of 30% for whatever reason. Don't ask me to explain the logic.

Driving the news: The Trump administration announced a temporary trade deal Monday morning that significantly reduced tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% from 145% for the next 90 days.

  • Later in the morning, a White House official told Axios that the "de minimis" tariff was left out of that deal: a 120% tariff rate on shipments from China valued at less than $800, or a flat $100 fee per postal item.
  • Then Monday night, the White House released the
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    of an executive order cutting the tariff rate to 54%, while still maintaining the $100 fee option.

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