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Serb

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Being an "axis" in terms of anti-US actions stretching them to the brink of collapse from all sides or jointly blunting their sanctions potency altogether is enough for this conversation. Kicking their ass in general basically. After the US is gone, so will this temporary linear "axis" go.

They don't need to marry each other's citizens. An axis simply means an alliance or agreement of some sort, and there is clearly such a thing specifically regarding moving against the US-led block, diplomatically, economically, and militarily to an extent that is necessary over time.

Everyone helped Russia in this war to an extent, and Russia was winning, outproducing the entire West combined, so they clearly didn't need more. Just like China alone also is capable of doing the same, but this time even in a more direct confrontation as they are the main target.
 
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Biscuits

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I think the place where Germany ended up currently is largely related to this disconnect from reality.

China is out of this group. It's friendly with Russia, but countries are not allies, as there are no obligations.
That's pure hopium from the west that China would against her own interests not help Russia if Russia faced an existential threat.

Also there are hard coded defensive obligations, an attack on China would be considered an attack on Korea, which further has a MDT with Russia.

It is not a direct "pact" like the ww2 axis or Central powers where you had countries deciding they should overtly marshal troops together in peacetime (that's NATO), rather you have a looser coalition of countries bound by a network of MDTs. Which is exactly the same setup as the Allies in ww2. This still 100% fits the standard definition of a military alliance.
China is an ally to DPRK, and sustains it out of obvious strategic necessity. But it is not especially friendly.
DPRK is quite suspicious of China, and Beijing is quite ... discontent with Pyongyang behaviour.
This is nonsense, DPRK is a complete puppet state.
NK to Iran are partners, but no more; their defensive link is Russia.
Otherwise, there is no way no particular reason one can help another.
Iran is not part of the alliance, it's just a major partner. I don't think anyone can claim China considers Iran an ally since Beijing much prefers to work on all middle eastern countries at once.
What may look like a web of connections is really failed blitz to collapse Russia onto its own adventure, which backfired to historical proportions, and forced Moscow to look away from the west for at least a while(Russia noticed that Asia exists). Otherwise, there are few interconections in this group.
Moreover, the group is sorta weird: Russia has some program(mostly spite), but doesn't have enough weight for leadership; neither it really likes where it is currently. China has weight, but doesn't have program (or desire) to claim leadership. Especially in this group, which will come at the expense of western markets.
An alliance doesn't need a clear cut leader. Ww2 allies had initially as majors for example Britain, China, France, Poland, then the USSR. Many of them didn't have direct MDT, and until USSR started picking up speed, it would really be impossible to say which country should be "leader".

And the alliance still worked fine.
Beijing power vertical(红士大夫) has thousands of years of historical heritage - north is just too important to alienate. But otherwise, chinese literati and business circles would happily exchange Moscow for Europe and US.
You're falling for the good cop bad cop routine used to fleece the enemy before the real fighting begins. All good scams begin by offering the victim something that is too good to be true. Listen to yourself, do you seriously think China would happily exchange it's own northern bulwark and resource safety for what, to worship hostile EU/US? How does that benefit China?

In 2022, Beijing trapped Europe into thinking it wouldn't carry Russia, so they rushed their economies and supplies into Ukraine, only to face a Russia with infinite funding due to China, which devastated their economies and effectively put EU off the board.

In 2025, the new trap is Russia feigning that they won't support China. If US accepts a deal from Russia, it will bust EU US ties. It might even let Russia go on another conquest in Europe.

It is just realpolitik. Nobody is waiting to serve the west any free lunches like so many westerners are hoping for. This hopium is what leads them to get battered over and over.
 

tankphobia

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Doing nothing and winning has never been so easy. China was probably at least a little nervous and preparing for a prolonged trade war with the US + downturn in domestic consumption. Only to have the US repeatedly shoot itself in the foot, pissing off all its allies and attempting to reconcile with Russia all in the first month of presidency.

Look at how fast Trump is dismantling the American empire, it's almost breathtaking if it weren't for how stupidly it's going down. Its like you trained for 10 years to finally avenge your master, then your opponent ODs on fentanyl 5 minutes before the fight.
 

siegecrossbow

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Doing nothing and winning has never been so easy. China was probably at least a little nervous and preparing for a prolonged trade war with the US + downturn in domestic consumption. Only to have the US repeatedly shoot itself in the foot, pissing off all its allies and attempting to reconcile with Russia all in the first month of presidency.

Look at how fast Trump is dismantling the American empire, it's almost breathtaking if it weren't for how stupidly it's going down. It’s like you trained for 10 years to finally avenge your master, then your opponent ODs on fentanyl 5 minutes before the fight.

I wouldn’t say that it is doing nothing. It’s more like focus on self-improvement and ignore b.s. slander directed against you by the pot-smoking “cool kids” clique is the key to winning. China must follow the Sigma Male mentality with or without foreign interference in order to achieve long term success. More info on how you can apply XJP Thought to self improvement could be found in this thread.

 

Michael90

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That's pure hopium from the west that China would against her own interests not help Russia if Russia faced an existential threat.

Also there are hard coded defensive obligations, an attack on China would be considered an attack on Korea, which further has a MDT with Russia.

It is not a direct "pact" like the ww2 axis or Central powers where you had countries deciding they should overtly marshal troops together in peacetime (that's NATO), rather you have a looser coalition of countries bound by a network of MDTs. Which is exactly the same setup as the Allies in ww2. This still 100% fits the standard definition of a military alliance.
Dude if you really follow Chinese foreign relations you will know that China has zero obligations or even will to enter into any sort of military alliance or axis with any of those countries not now not anytime soon. The only country on earth China has a mutual defence treaty d obligation to defend in case of an attack is North Korea AND EVEN THAT IS A LEGACY OF MAO ZEDONGS ERA POLICY OF INTERVENING IN OTHER COUNTRIES MILITARILY TO GIVE CHINA SPACE FROM HER BORDER AREAS. CCP has changed her worldview and policies completly since Mao's death, today's China is completely different ideologically, politically. Economically, culturally etc So her considerations and priorities are completly different. China is not and won't be involving herself in any sort of axis/alliance anytime soon. There are several reasons for that.. Even N. KOREA with whom the have a defence treaty from past legacy is not certain today since China and NORTH Korea are not even on good terms, since the crazy murderous young Fat Kim(he's even worse/more radical than his father) distanced his regime from China and got rid of most of the pro Chinese elements in his regime(including his own uncle).
In short, this so called "axis* is a fallacy.
 

Biscuits

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Dude if you really follow Chinese foreign relations you will know that China has zero obligations or even will to enter into any sort of military alliance or axis with any of those countries not now not anytime soon. The only country on earth China has a mutual defence treaty d obligation to defend in case of an attack is North Korea AND EVEN THAT IS A LEGACY OF MAO ZEDONGS ERA POLICY OF INTERVENING IN OTHER COUNTRIES MILITARILY TO GIVE CHINA SPACE FROM HER BORDER AREAS. CCP has changed her worldview and policies completly since Mao's death, today's China is completely different ideologically, politically. Economically, culturally etc So her considerations and priorities are completly different. China is not and won't be involving herself in any sort of axis/alliance anytime soon. There are several reasons for that.. Even N. KOREA with whom the have a defence treaty from past legacy is not certain today since China and NORTH Korea are not even on good terms, since the crazy murderous young Fat Kim(he's even worse/more radical than his father) distanced his regime from China and got rid of most of the pro Chinese elements in his regime(including his own uncle).
In short, this so called "axis* is a fallacy.
Sounds more like you're trying to convince yourself than anyone else.

Europe got fucked over by China and Russia in Ukraine no? And US is about to get fucked over with their relations in Europe with the "new Trump peace deal".

I mean keep telling yourself NATO isn't getting mugged by China as well as the others allies if it makes you sleep better at night. Although is the alternate explanation of China hating Russia and NK really better for NATO? That would imply Russia is so powerful it can win alone while the world's largest economy is telling them, in your words: "zero obligations or will to help their allies". So with zero help, EU economy got sunk by Russia alone...
 
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