Trump 2.0 official thread

[manqiangrexue]

Facebook comments were pretty ugly before since Trump started attacking all US allies with tariffs but they are really, really ugly now with Trump and Bessent squealing like pigs at China's rare earth and boy bean purchase bans. Basically everyone who's commenting is saying they brought this on themselves.

2 most common points echoed by almost everyone:
1. "You're allowed to attack China with chips bans and tariffs but they can't hit back with rare earth bans and soybean snub?"
2. "It's their rare earth; they can do whatever they want with them."

The last remaining and disappearing bastion of spinning for Trump/Bessent is getting weirder and weirder and right now, it is:
China mined these rare earths from Tibet/Inner Mongolia/Xinjiang; they have no right to keep them (because the rabid anti-China nutjobs want to portray these regions as pro-Western and not parts of China).

The voices that defended Trump's global tariff war with, "We need to level the playing field; they were taking advantage of us," have largely died out because as it turns out, hitting someone, then crying when they hit you back and put you on the floor is a really bad look, even for the MAGA peeps.

This is an increase of Chinese soft power made possible by the hard power defeat of America's trade and tech wars.

 

[vincent]

Saw a joke on Chinese social media today: Trump used a big stick to smack China, China use a big stick to smack him back. Trump got confused on why the stick didn‘t knock China out, so he smack all his vassal with the stick to test it. It worked very well, so he smacked China with it again, but this time China smacked him much harder than last time.

 

[valysre]

Sorry, I meant "unfortunately for them, the can't get the results they want..." and beside Gitee that mirrors most if not all Open-Source Software in Github, there's mirrors for other things, like there's a mirror for npm packages for china...etc. I've seen a lot of progress in this field in China, and even though I can't access all the data or follow the topic in detail - because I don't have time & can't speak Chinese - I know china is in a far better place than it used to be years ago.

Yes. They certainly won't be able to achieve what they think they will achieve; won't stop them from trying! And seriously undermining the credibility of the US in many circles.

About Linus, I thing there's something called "Turing award" for programmers? or something like it, I think he can get one of those or something equivalent, but people like him most of the time get credit after death. Love him or hate him, no one can deny his contributions to open-source communities, and he gave a lot of his effort & time for that.
Nevertheless, the expulsion of russian developers was very depressing and alarming to what will happen in the future.

I don't think he will ever receive the Turing award. He is an engineer through and through, and no pure engineer has ever received the Turing award. But yes, after he dies, the Linux kernel will fracture into several distinct cousin systems with different groups maintaining each. Sort of like Yugoslavia after the death of Tito. And then the role that Linus played will become even clearer than it is now. I do agree that the expulsion of Russian developers was absurd and completely unwarranted, but I think flaws make the man; however, such a thing cannot feasibly be done to China, because China has enough people to build its own internal open-source system. Absolute worst case, some guy goes out with a big USB stick every few months and downloads the most recent commits on cafe WiFi in Singapore

 

[mshrief303]

the Linux kernel will fracture into several distinct cousin systems with different groups maintaining each. Sort of like Yugoslavia after the death of Tito.

the Yugoslavia analogy is very good, and most likely that's what will happen and new communities will appear, some of the them will dominate others. Also, China has started some very important open-source projects by its own as the first & main contributor like OpenHarmony OS, therefore they're more resilient to this changes than others. Nevertheless the open-source communities in Asia, South America, Europe,...etc are more than capable to continue the development in a good manner.

 

[GulfLander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1978457854852976885

 

[pbd456]

Thr nuclear option is kicking china out of swift. How likely will it happen?

After that, it will be us military blocking chinese vessels on key routes.

 

[Temstar]

This one is up there with Pompeo's "CCP is a marxist-leninist regime". Too bad western marxist aren't convinced.

 

[Mt1701d]

Thr nuclear option is kicking china out of swift. How likely will it happen?

After that, it will be us military blocking chinese vessels on key routes.

Well it would be a nuclear option, but the nuclear options for US financial suicide and all but guarantee the emergency of a new global settlement system, with the likely fallout being the dollarisation will kicked into overdrive.

Imagine that countries can’t trade with China in USD at all, meaning all countries that trade with China will need to use the Chinese settlement system with the Yuan or whatever other currency, meaning it will proliferate like never before. Now the question is, since everyone has a new system what would happen after that?

As for blocking key routes, that would piss off more people than do harm to China, hell the Indians have been threatening it would, almost a decade and the conclusion has always been the same, it’s not worth it, even if it’s the US.

 

[bsdnf]

Thr nuclear option is kicking china out of swift. How likely will it happen?

After that, it will be us military blocking chinese vessels on key routes.

Russia has proven that local currency transactions are still viable. China has been transferring a large number of transactions to CIPS in recent years, and the RMB's share in the SWIFT system has been declining. Kicked out of Swift is not the end of China, but the end of Swift.

 

[AndrewS]

Thr nuclear option is kicking china out of swift. How likely will it happen?

Possible, but then we would see the rise of China-based CIPS to replace that trade.
And then American factories shutting down due to lack of rare earths and other components.
I also expect TSMC won't get the materials to continue producing chips for NVidia, Apple, AMD, etc

Along with an economic recession and stock market crash in the US.

After that, it will be us military blocking chinese vessels on key routes.

That would be an act of war/piracy.
Does the US really want to start a hot war, knowing its weapons factories will soon be shutting down?