training exercise HK Oct 2012-combined force

MwRYum

Major
Maybe Beijing is just on higher sense of alertness because heh, a lot has happened this year and it's also the change of guard year.

More like they finally have enough of this crap, and when the message is explicitly a separatist one, that's something Beijing would never take it lightly.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Eh.... my question was rhetorical. But it's nice to see it sparked a whole line of speculation on a HK secessionist movment... :rolleyes:
 
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C'mon, you do remember that Lincoln and JFK died by assassin's bullet, right? The US Secret Service and FBI have no luxury to take things like that lightly. Arrest that girl and grill her for 48 hours should sweat some common sense into her.



Dumb? Nah, it gets dumber by the minute...during today's weekly public forum (live televised by local TV) the topic is none other than this, what got it extra "hot" were 2 of the guests, one is a mid-level mainland official that deal with China-Hong Kong affairs, and the other is one of those "separatist movement" demonstration organizers. Things got heated up when the official condemned the demonstrators for their "acts of high treason", HK should legislate against such acts and the offenders' citizenship should be revoked; the "separatist movement" demonstration organizer trolled back by brandishing his passport and other documents, demanding the official to have his citizenship revoke on the spot...

The thing that most people in HK might not realized is, ever since the Qin Dynasty, central-ruling government is a goal that all subsequent dynasties pursues if not enact with almost single-minded brutality, the only exception would be when the central government was too weak to enforce such control...those dumbass in HK are doing nothing short of openly challenging this golden rule.

While I'd never expect those weenies could actually do anything more than verbally insult mainland China, but I'm afraid if nobody plug up those pieholes mainland gov't would've no choice but to take it seriously and decided to snuff such "insurrection" at the bud, in short HK as a whole will be burned by the monkey acts of those idiots, because we "need to respect their freedom of speech".

You got the link? I just wanna watch the action. And I think that "debate" is just so stupid to begin with because it's apparent that neither sides are "rational and objective" people.
 

MwRYum

Major
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You got the link? I just wanna watch the action. And I think that "debate" is just so stupid to begin with because it's apparent that neither sides are "rational and objective" people.

If you can listen to Cantonese you can try this:
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Tempers flare over independence spat

Emotions ran high in Victoria Park yesterday as speakers at City Forum debated whether an independence movement is on the rise in Hong Kong.

Winnie Chong

Monday, October 29, 2012

Emotions ran high in Victoria Park yesterday as speakers at City Forum debated whether an independence movement is on the rise in Hong Kong.

Anger was particularly directed at two people who claimed Beijing was interfering in Hong Kong affairs - activist Chan Chi-chun and political analyst Johnny Lau Yui-siu.

One man was seen spitting in the direction of Chan while another hurled a water bottle at Lau. The strong feelings were rife among others in the audience, with scuffling and insults traded.

Members of a group called Loving Hong Kong Power, saying they are totally opposed to any move toward independence, tried to rush onto the stage but were stopped by security guards.

The issue was sparked by a warning against a rise in pro-independence feeling from former Hong Kong and Macao Affairs Office deputy director Chen Zuo'er.

Lau said the warning is unnecessary as most people understand Hong Kong cannot survive if it tries to go it alone. But he said Beijing, rather than creating an independence bogeyman, should focus on improving its connection with the public.

Chan, who recently organized a march to the central government liaison office, rebuffed suggestions he has been calling for independence, saying his protest was only to decry excessive intervention in Hong Kong affairs, especially in the chief executive election and educational issues.

Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference member Lew Mon-hung said while a person can criticize the government over its policies, he or she cannot refuse to recognize the country.

"Similarly, while one can be dissatisfied with the Communist Party, he or she cannot deny being a Chinese," he added.
And some of those "separatist movement groups" Facebook groups, take a look if you can endure their utmost stupidity...fortunately, mostly in Chinese...
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The "insurgent":
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aquauant

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I myself would not give too much thought on the separatism or secession movement. Most of population in HK are 1st or 2nd generation mainlanders. Unlike Tibetan or Uighurs, we (over 97%) are culturally and racially the same . During holidays, more than a million hkers visit or return home in mainland. Yes, a lot of westerners like to amplify the differences or arguments between hkers and mainlanders. 10 years ago, the western media even predicted Guangdong would secede. They always choose to neglect the less vocal silent majority of both. I believe we have the same more than we have differences.

Separatists always exist since colonial time. Not much is heard about it because it is so obscure that most dont know it. I myself did not hear about it until the news talks about it. Now I know they even have a website. I think most hkers are as ignorant about this as myself. Most just want to make ends meet.

I think the central government is smarter than are given credit for. I am sure the officials are disappointed that some hoists union flag during protest. But I dont think the exercise is a warning to the hk public about separatism. This kind of exercises happens every year and are scheduled long beforehand. In colonial time, they practiced even more in fact. Internal security exercise is to train for protecting civilians against internal turmoil. It could be armed bandits, violent riots, infiltration, terrorists and of course insurgents from various sources not just local separatists but others. I think the news media chose to portrait the exercise as such for sensationalism.
 
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And to be honest, if HK really were to secede, I'd rather Hong Kong emerge as an independent state like Singapore instead of under British rule. Hong Kong's standing in the international community would equate to Singapore or Switzerland as politically neutral while part of the free 1st world.
 

MwRYum

Major
And to be honest, if HK really were to secede, I'd rather Hong Kong emerge as an independent state like Singapore instead of under British rule. Hong Kong's standing in the international community would equate to Singapore or Switzerland as politically neutral while part of the free 1st world.

Singapore's case was in fact "got tossed out" rather than the "leave by choice", more like a case of "teach the noisy little brother a lesson" on a very large scale...

That said, the kind of thing those idiots at HK demanding is vastly different, their participants' mentality is a blend of romanticism, naivety and a dash of skin-head...and most of them haven't reach 30s.
 

jackliu

Banned Idiot
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C'mon, you do remember that Lincoln and JFK died by assassin's bullet, right? The US Secret Service and FBI have no luxury to take things like that lightly. Arrest that girl and grill her for 48 hours should sweat some common sense into her.

Why not look at it from China's perspective... C'mon, you do remember that little protest in Tienanmen turned into big protest that almost bring down the government? The Chinese Secret Service and Paramilitary police have no luxury to take things like that lightly. Arrest those dumass British flag tolling idiots for 48 hours should sweat some common sense into them.

You see... when it is something that disrupt the function of US government, it is legitimate response. But when the same dude that calls for damn fall of Chinese government in China.. which is a disruption of the Chinese government, it is a violation of "Human Rights" And need to be widely reported in the newspaper.

Nope, no double standard here.
 

MwRYum

Major
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Why not look at it from China's perspective... C'mon, you do remember that little protest in Tienanmen turned into big protest that almost bring down the government? The Chinese Secret Service and Paramilitary police have no luxury to take things like that lightly. Arrest those dumass British flag tolling idiots for 48 hours should sweat some common sense into them.

You see... when it is something that disrupt the function of US government, it is legitimate response. But when the same dude that calls for damn fall of Chinese government in China.. which is a disruption of the Chinese government, it is a violation of "Human Rights" And need to be widely reported in the newspaper.

Nope, no double standard here.

I get the drift...*sigh*

But here's an hardly advertised fact of China: at the time of Tienanmen incident, China in terms of crowd control have yet evolve into the "non-lethal" level, and so when comes to dispel a demonstration as huge as that one back then, the only solution known to them is one involve a lot of shooting and naturally, a lot of killing. After that, the PAP were earmarked with such role and kitted out as such...

For HK though, if and when the police can't handle the crowd, then it must be something at the level of T-virus outbreak, or some big asteroid is about a week away from impacting Earth...as such, deploying the PLA won't turn things around anyway.
 

jackliu

Banned Idiot
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I get the drift...*sigh*

But here's an hardly advertised fact of China: at the time of Tienanmen incident, China in terms of crowd control have yet evolve into the "non-lethal" level, and so when comes to dispel a demonstration as huge as that one back then, the only solution known to them is one involve a lot of shooting and naturally, a lot of killing. After that, the PAP were earmarked with such role and kitted out as such...

For HK though, if and when the police can't handle the crowd, then it must be something at the level of T-virus outbreak, or some big asteroid is about a week away from impacting Earth...as such, deploying the PLA won't turn things around anyway.

I have no idea what you are trying to say, I am not defending the people that suffered at Tienanmen. I am saying just as US or any other nation that take the threat of bring down the government very seriously. So is China, but for some reason when the Chinese government crack down, the Western media all cry "Human right" abuses, but when they are the ones doing it themselves they see no problem with it at all.
 
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