Trade War with China

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Lot of things have changed in China since Xi Jingping took office; your post seemed dated by quite a few years. Anyway, you would need to know a lot of national secrets on both sides to make that comparison.

I do know that China at least doesn't have a sitting president whose tax returns are kept secret as he brags about sexual assault nor have I seen the CCP rush to confirm a sexual predator as a national level judge while trying to impede their own "investigation" into him. I could go on but there are so many of these things in the US recently that if I tried to list them all, I could run out of space typing on the internet LOL

You need to start one of those independent journalism site/blog/vlog and put all everything out there in one consolidated place :cool::p

The rest of the world may help. It will become the wiki of counter US-propaganda. Right now the US is still regarded as some sort of angel in the western world while everything China does is automatically wrong and evil. Will only change when China finds an angle to play like RT/Sputnik/Southfront guys.
 
You need to start one of those independent journalism site/blog/vlog and put all everything out there in one consolidated place :cool::p

The rest of the world may help. It will become the wiki of counter US-propaganda. Right now the US is still regarded as some sort of angel in the western world while everything China does is automatically wrong and evil. Will only change when China finds an angle to play like RT/Sputnik/Southfront guys.
... to address those whom Lenin would've called 'Useful Idiots in the West'
LOL
 
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Yeah but the bottom line is that the US is running on deficit of $21 Trillion and counting. Meaning that there already is NO money left in the governments vault to even pay off any portion of the US bonds sell off of that magnitude. In order to do that is by printing more money therefore devaluing the dollar or raise more taxes significantly and risk political career for any government officials, OR cut spending drastically enough to pay off those bond sales. Either way it is NOT a good sign and no US government officials in office would want to deal with that scenario.
And does China owns ALL the 21 trillion ? The answer is no, and that is the real real bottom line. Because so long as the rest of the world has confidence in the US treasury and no all the bills are cashed in all at once. The US government can still stay fluid in their budget.
That is really how the world works, most entities (governments included) seldom have enough money to pay ALL their obligations, but they do posses enough money to pay their IMMEDIATE obligations.
 
Aug 27, 2018
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Xinhua Headlines: Is Montenegro's highway a debt trap or road to success?
Xinhua| 2018-10-04 09:58:00
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When news broke that construction of Montenegro's first highway would begin near his house, Vukasin Petrovic, a villager in Jelin Dub, about 14 km north of the capital Podgorica, was so excited that he joked he would jump off a planned bridge.

The dream of safe and fast travels was too distant to realize in this small and under-developed corner of the Balkans, until impressive piers, some as high as 160 meters, emerged on the horizon.

The highway is part of the project that cut through the country's undulating mountains.

Now, 69-year-old Petrovic often sits on a big, wooden chair in front of his house just to observe the progress of construction, and vows he would be one of the first to drive on the highway, once it's completed.

Initial suspicion towards the highway wasn't limited to Petrovic. When the Montenegrin government first floated the project, it was criticized domestically and internationally as "empty talk" and political marketing, said Vatroslav Belan, a government advisor.

"Now we are under a different kind of pressure from our citizens, to build the highway as soon as possible," Belan added.

The 41-km-long road under construction, supported with Chinese loans and engineering expertise under the Belt and Road Initiative, is the first phase of a 180-km-long highway, which will link the Adriatic port of Bar to landlocked Serbia. It is the biggest infrastructure in Montenegro, a terrain-challenged country that nevertheless has been drawing an increasing number of international tourists.

FISCALLY UNSOUND?

Despite its popularity and importance in Montenegro, the highway has drawn the ire of the Western media, which has dubbed the project a "debt trap," alleging that the Chinese-aided project would bankrupt the Balkan country.

A Reuters report said that the Chinese loan for the highway "sent Montenegro's debt soaring."

A widely-cited policy paper, by the Washington-based Center for Global Development, said "Montenegro's debt problem is enormous," quoting a study -- released in February 2017 -- by the World Bank that estimates the country's public debt "as a share of GDP (gross domestic product) will climb to 83 percent in 2018 in the absence of fiscal adjustment."

Yet, investigations and interviews by Xinhua found otherwise.

The terms of the Chinese loans -- 2-percent interest rate, 20-year repayment schedule and 6-year grace period -- are considered extremely favorable by international standards.

In reality, the Montenegro's central government debt at mid-year 2018 was 70.1 percent of GDP, according to a report by its Ministry of Finance.

But even the 83-percent number is on par with European averages.

Eurostat, the European Union (EU)'s statistical office, said that government debt in the first quarter of 2018 stood at 86.8 percent of the national GDP in the 19-member euro area and 81.5 percent in the 28-member EU.

An under-reported development by the Western media is that Montenegro's effective fiscal consolidation efforts have since been recognized by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

"The Government launched an ambitious fiscal consolidation program in 2017," the World Bank observed in April 2018, adding that "after initial fiscal consolidation efforts, the outlook on the credit rating of B+ improved to stable. This has allowed easier access to capital markets for regular refinancing of liabilities."

Fiscal deficit is projected to be brought down to 3.2 percent in 2018, and will slowly reach a surplus by 2020, according to the World Bank.

The IMF said in a May 2018 report that "most of the fiscal measures have already been implemented, and the underlying fiscal position improved in 2017. If carried out in full, the strategy will considerably strengthen the fiscal position, generating a primary fiscal surplus of 4.5 percent of GDP by 2020, allowing government debt to fall to 53 percent of GDP by 2020."

On top of that, Veselin Vukotic, a leading Montenegrin economist who is now rector of the private University of Donja Gorica, said "tying the health of the economy only to one quantitative indicator -- public debt of GDP is an absolute bureaucratic approach."

It is important to look at "the way these borrowed funds are invested," he said, and in this case the money is well-spent on long-term infrastructure building.

ECONOMIC BOON

Construction of the highway has already given the small country a shot in the arm, with the IMF saying "after expanding 2.9 percent in 2016, the economy grew 4.4 percent in 2017, driven by highway construction and a strong tourism season."

"Strong economic growth should continue in 2018, notwithstanding fiscal adjustment ... With highway spending to remain near 2017 levels, private investment -- rather than public investment -- and consumption should drive growth," according to the IMF.

"While growth of investment will slow down as the highway construction gets to its closure, its contribution to growth will remain strong in 2018," the World Bank said in its economic overlook for Montenegro.

For Bemax, a leading Montenegrin construction company, participating in the construction translates to a turnover of about 200 million euros (232.2 million U.S. dollars). To build the highway, it now employs around 700 people, of whom about 600 are local workers, its executive director Veselin Kovacevic told Xinhua.

Becerovic Branislav, a 39-year old worker who was handling concrete iron near the 160-meter-high piers under construction, said the job gave him a much better income than ever before.

Montenegrins who are not directly involved in the project are also looking eagerly forward to its completion.

Vidic Bogic, a villager in the Vilac region, north of Podgorica, said Chinese workers had already made a positive impact on the community: a regular water and electricity supply, which had not been available, were brought to his neighborhood to aid the construction work.

"We have to keep in mind that an interchange is nearby, and hopefully once the construction has been finished, it will improve the lives of people around here and they will finally stop moving out of the area," Bogic told Xinhua via an interpreter.

Tesic Milena, a nun at Saint Nicolas Church, said the highway is all the rage at her church. She keeps hearing how the highway will benefit Montenegrins with faster travel and decreased transportation costs.

When asked about fears that the younger generations would be burdened by the loan for the highway, the 59-year-old said: "If young people start to work more and have better work habits, there will be no problems."

BIG PICTURE

The Montenegrin government believes by building the highway it is bridging the gaps between its northern and southern parts as well as between the country and Europe.

While its mountainous north is the beefy brawn to the coast's polished pulchritude, a lack of proper roads is holding back tourism, arguably the country's biggest economic potential, as well as agriculture and other industries.

"Regional differences in economic development are quite considerable," said a 2013 National Human Development Report by the United Nations Development Program, with "the northern region being in the most disadvantaged position."

"The coastal region, for instance, had the lowest unemployment rate of 11.4 percent, while in the northern region almost 33 percent of the active population was unemployed," the report said, adding that inadequate infrastructure is one of the barriers that has to be addressed for integration into the EU.

Despite that the highway improving Montenegro's connectivity with the EU -- in the north through Serbia to central Europe, and in the south through the Adriatic sea to the Mediterranean -- there have been plenty of Western accusations that China has a secret agenda in Europe.

Words like "backdoor" or "trojan horse" in the Balkans have headlined stories on Politico Europe, and the Reuters report said Montenegro could give Beijing "a port of entry into Europe from the Adriatic."

"That fear of Europe that China will 'take' Montenegro, or Eastern Europe, is based on the complete ignorance of history," Vukotic, the university rector, said.

Liu Zuokui, director of the Department of Central and Eastern European Studies under the Institute of European Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the fear is unwarranted and overblown, particularly given that Montenegro is already part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), could join the EU as early as 2025, and the fact that China is 7,000 km away.

"Chinese involvement now links Montenegro -- literally -- closer to Europe," he said.

From another perspective, Liu argued, the highway should be welcomed as the region stands to benefit from Chinese funding and building expertise, thus saving EU resources on the Balkans, traditionally the poor cousins of Western Europe.

For Montenegro, the highway carries its hope for "the same road that we have been on in our political agenda for a long time," said Belan, the government advisor, "the road to Europe and the community of the most developed countries."
 
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Cui Tiankai: China wants to end trade war but US keeps changing position
Updated 2018-10-04 23:21 GMT+8
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China wants to end the trade war with the US, but the US's position keeps changing, said Cui Tiankai, China's ambassador to the US on Wednesday.

Cui made this remark during an interview at National Public Radio (NPR) headquarters.

"The US's position keeps changing all the time, so we don't know exactly what the US would want as priorities," said Cui in the interview.

Cui reiterated that China does not want a trade war with the US, and hopes the two sides can resolve the disputes through negotiations.

He stressed the importance of "good faith" for successful negotiations, of which the US has not shown enough.

According to Cui, the two sides have kept in contact during the past months, and had extensive discussions in various areas. He said China is willing to make some concessions to reach an agreement, but it needs goodwill from both sides.

"We offered to reduce the trade deficit of the US, for instance. And we also presented a very good proposal to the US side about the further reform and opening up in China, some of the so-called structural issues. We are ready to work on the issues," the ambassador said.

"More than once we had some tentative agreement between the two working teams, then just overnight the tentative agreement was rejected, and the demand from the US changed. So this is very confusing, and this is making things very difficult," he added.

China-US relations need more cooperation than competition
"I think between any two countries, maybe especially between China and the US, there is a certain degree of competition. This is only natural," Cui said.

He added that there's also a much greater need for cooperation, saying that no country can really handle all the challenges all by itself.

"We have to cooperate whether we like it or not. This is a growing mutual need and a common interest," Cui noted.

"We are always ready to cooperate with the US even if we have differences and maybe just because we have differences the need for cooperation is even bigger."

'Meet halfway' on South China Sea issue
"We have sovereignty over many of the islands in the South China Sea. And this has been a longstanding position of China despite a change of government, you see, in 1949," said Cui.

He added that some territorial disputes do exist but "we're ready to work with other countries to have negotiations to have a final solution to such disputes."

"That's why we are working on a Code of Conduct in the South China Sea with the ASEAN countries."

Cui added that all parties concerned should work to maintain stability and order in the South China Sea and try to jointly develop resources before territorial sovereignty disputes can be resolved.

He also called on the US to meet China halfway, instead of undermining the process.

Good progress on Korean Peninsula
Cui hailed the recent progress made by the US and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) toward a completely denuclearized Korean Peninsula.

"My recommendation is that the US should continue its talks with the DPRK and try to take steps to encourage the DPRK to take further steps toward denuclearization," Cui added.

As for US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's visit to the DPRK on Sunday, Cui said that he hopes that Pompeo has some clear ideas to present to the DPRK.

"Not only no American nuclear weapons, but the DPRK should not have nuclear weapons either. That's very clear," said Cui.

He noted that the US and the DPRK should reach some agreement on the definition of denuclearization.

The DPRK has announced that it will shift its strategic priority to economic development, Cui noted.

"Peace and stability on the peninsula meet the interest of all parties concerned."

The ambassador also responded that China will comprehensively and strictly implement the United Nations Security Council's resolutions when asked about the sanctions on the DPRK.
 

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So it sounds as if we are much closer to a resolution than some would have you believe? I would comment that it sounds as if the Chinese ambassador really does have some insight into our concerns, and I would agree that the US and China continue to have shared interests in a peaceful resolution....
 
So it sounds as if we are much closer to a resolution than some would have you believe? I would comment that it sounds as if the Chinese ambassador really does have some insight into our concerns, and I would agree that the US and China continue to have shared interests in a peaceful resolution....
nah it depends on Trump so nobody knows what's going to happen, just check Sep 19, 2018
now noticed what's probably related to Jun 7, 2018 ; inside
Trump's most trusted national security adviser? Himself.
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"Earlier this summer, National Security Council experts were working to implement harsh penalties against
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when President Donald Trump caught them off-guard with a tweet about making deals with the foreign company.
Sources present in the Old Executive Office Building that day told CNN that after receiving a call from Chinese President Xi Jinping, Trump blindsided NSC officials by declaring he wanted to get ZTE "back into business," obliterating weeks of work by his staff who, until that moment, had been implementing the President's original agenda."

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