The BIGGEST WORRY in War today is that, and God forbid, Nuclear Weapons would be used by either Party. NO WINNERS, as it would mean the destruction of countries and the world at large. Leaders should therefore consider, before going into any Trade War this philosophy by Confucius: "When it is obvious that goals cannot be reached, don't just adjust the goals, adjust the action steps".
Trade War with China
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Jura The idiot
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the part directly related to China of
If this is a trade war, the United States will win
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"And there is this to keep in mind as well: if the complaint is that tariffs somehow distort the delicate mechanism of the market, unleashing an evil categorically different from other kinds of ebbs and flow in costs, then what must one say about the mutilations of the market that come from China’s industrial subsidies? In concrete terms, companies that are dependent on an artificially low price for steel are in for a world of hurt in the long run—for what happens when China fulfills its goals and stops subsidizing the price? Then the businesses that depend on the cheap steel market will be in the same position as they are with Trump’s tariffs, only worse.
China’s long-term goal in this will be very familiar to anyone who has studied the history of trade, war, and imperialism. Beijing would like to build up its own industrial power and hollow out that of the United States, its chief long-run strategic rival. Under imperialism, the metropole liked to foster and protect industry at home and keep colonies dependent by depriving them of manufacturing and getting them to import finished goods rather than creating them (let alone exporting them). Leverage belongs to the manufacturers. China has no need to start a war with the United States. One superpower can replace another by a gradual process of economic eclipse and induced de-industrialization. Let Americans think that their “service economy” will sustain itself. It won’t: a nation without a strong manufacturing base is as vulnerable as a nation that cannot feed itself or supply its own vital natural resources."
If this is a trade war, the United States will win
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"And there is this to keep in mind as well: if the complaint is that tariffs somehow distort the delicate mechanism of the market, unleashing an evil categorically different from other kinds of ebbs and flow in costs, then what must one say about the mutilations of the market that come from China’s industrial subsidies? In concrete terms, companies that are dependent on an artificially low price for steel are in for a world of hurt in the long run—for what happens when China fulfills its goals and stops subsidizing the price? Then the businesses that depend on the cheap steel market will be in the same position as they are with Trump’s tariffs, only worse.
China’s long-term goal in this will be very familiar to anyone who has studied the history of trade, war, and imperialism. Beijing would like to build up its own industrial power and hollow out that of the United States, its chief long-run strategic rival. Under imperialism, the metropole liked to foster and protect industry at home and keep colonies dependent by depriving them of manufacturing and getting them to import finished goods rather than creating them (let alone exporting them). Leverage belongs to the manufacturers. China has no need to start a war with the United States. One superpower can replace another by a gradual process of economic eclipse and induced de-industrialization. Let Americans think that their “service economy” will sustain itself. It won’t: a nation without a strong manufacturing base is as vulnerable as a nation that cannot feed itself or supply its own vital natural resources."
Based on that article, it is clear that the author is extremely biased towards Trump. He is unwilling to see fault in Trump's actions and constantly believes that Trump has a long term goal and is a great politician. You can look at the rest of his articles, and the bias will show. On the other hand, that segment is just used to generate fear of China's future actions. Nothing in the article states statistics or trade information that shows the US being in a dominant position. Plus, he doesn't give ANY examples of how China is pursuing imperialism.
Jura The idiot
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your last sentence reminded me of something I've recently wanted to say in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
but forgot:
for me the indication of China building an empire would be if it began to reclaim
(once I looked at the map and recall Corregidor 'was in sight' ... OK I'll do the exercise again:
now will post this in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
too)
You don't understand the meaning of imperialismyour last sentence reminded me of something I've recently wanted to say in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
but forgot:
for me the indication of China building an empire would be if it began to reclaim
(once I looked at the map and recall Corregidor 'was in sight' ... OK I'll do the exercise again:
now will post this in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
too)
Please go read up the real definitions
It is rather rich for Pax Americana to call Chinese actions are imperialistic
your last sentence reminded me of something I've recently wanted to say in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
but forgot:
for me the indication of China building an empire would be if it began to reclaim
(once I looked at the map and recall Corregidor 'was in sight' ... OK I'll do the exercise again:
now will post this in
China's SCS Strategy Thread
too)
Whether China feels the need to defend itself on its own (disputed) island <900km from the Chinese mainland likely depends on the military threat generated by the US from a dual use facility/"former" military base in a former colony >11000km from the US mainland:
Equation
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The article forgot to mention that the American economy is based on the stable stock market. Any bad news or dis stable news such as a trade war would crumbled the stock market. This will hindered yearly growth on an election year will threatened Trump's political party.
Jura The idiot
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how you doing, bro, now noticed the Warning https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/banned-warned-members-list.t54/page-70#post-511283
a hot night here? LOL
If you have nothing to add to the discussion then don't post at all, especially since this is the trade war thread.
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