Trade War with China

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shifty_ginosaji

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There might be different route to AI technology but CPU or linear machine is not one of them Simply because AI
required speed and massive computation which CPU machine can't provide as it will take too long
Because you can't run parallel computation everything has to go sequentially!
read this
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Parallel computing is always going to be a part of hard problem solving. We'll have to see what specific solutions actually work for AI though.

Parallelisaton could just mean many computers utilising a Monte Carlo sampling approach to intelligence, or something greater. Different silicon allows designers to change how many discrete computational units are present for a given power, and to what extent of specialisation individual units take.

So far, conventional AI methods use machine learning - an inherently serial process.

Anyways, I'll start a thread so we can stop derailing this one.
 

AndrewS

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Excellent analysis from the former Singapore Prime Minister on US-China relations and the trade war

US faces credibility trap as China looks a century ahead

The question is no longer if China & the US will collide - but when and what form it will take.


SINGAPORE'S former prime minister and now Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong sat down with bluenotes managing editor Andrew Cornell at ANZ's Finance and Treasury Forum in Singapore to discuss the omnipresent China-US confrontation.

Most believed the Thucydides trap was not inevitable. I was one of them. My reasoning was China had gone out of its way to declare its rise will be peaceful. Then-US President Barack Obama sought to cooperate, to have China as a stakeholder in major global initiatives like the Paris climate accord and the Iran nuclear deal. Such accords encouraged China to act responsibly and observe international norms.
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As events unfold, I've turned pessimistic.
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My primary reason is the US is resetting its relations with China and the rest of the world. Its new foreign policy is America first. In its execution, it seems to be America only.

Read more. It is well worth the read
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Thomas Friedman wrote in The New York Times that US and European government officials and business leaders had made it crystal clear to him what's going on right now is nothing less than a struggle to redefine the rules governing the economic and power relations of the world's oldest and newest superpowers. This is not just a trade tiff.

Ruan Zongze, Executive Vice-President of the Chinese Foreign Ministry's research institute concurs: "This is a defining moment for US-China relations; it is about a lot more than trade and tariffs, this is about the future."

According to Mr Friedman, the trade hardliners in the Trump administration believe this is a fight worth having now, before it is too late, before China gets too big. But is it just the trade hardliners? What about the military hardliners?

The battle is joined. The US is pursuing its trade tariffs aggressively, while China is responding calmly. On the surface anyway.

In the FT, Mr Wolf wrote this "is more likely to be the beginning of the end of the rules-governed multilateral trading order that the US itself has created".

I surmise China's leaders are convinced the US is out to contain it. Two senior figures I met in Hong Kong last month told me that too.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Great op/ed by holy goh I like his conclusion
China will press in with renewed energy to break out of any US stranglehold. It will not trust the US as the sole policeman of the world.

The US is flexing its muscles, showing might is right. That surely, is not an example the world wants China to emulate. Whatever happens we have to adjust to a new balance of power in the future - at least in Asia.

  • Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong is a former prime minister of Singapore.
 

AndrewS

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Great op/ed by holy goh I like his conclusion


  • Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong is a former prime minister of Singapore.

It's not just an op-ed. It's the opening address to a conference.

And yes, the prior Prime Minister (Lee Senior) and the current Prime Minster (Lee Junior) would likely agree with the analysis.
 

AndrewS

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China and Trump, Listen Up!
Both sides need to be smart and honest about how the countries became economic successes.


HONG KONG — I’ve been in Tokyo and Hong Kong this week, and if I were to distill what echoed in all my conversations, it would sound something like this:
From Chinese business and government types, some real anxiety — “Can you please tell me what is President Trump’s bottom line in this trade war? Is this about rebalancing trade or containing China’s rise?” — combined with some real bravado — “You realize that you Americans are too late? We’re too big to be pushed around anymore. You should have done this a decade ago.”

From the Japanese it was gratitude — “Thank God for Donald Trump. Finally we have a U.S. president who understands what a threat China is!” — combined with real anxiety — “Please, please be careful. Don’t go too far with Beijing and break the global trading system.”

And from a smart European consultant it was bewilderment — “Boy did the Chinese have a failure of intelligence. They had no clue just how much both Democrats and Republicans, and Europeans, all want to see Trump hammer China in these trade talks. But please, please don’t start a cold war with China that will force us to choose sides.”

And from me to both my Chinese and Japanese interlocutors: I’m glad Trump is confronting China on its market access barriers. Those are the real issue — not the bilateral trade imbalance. This is long overdue. But trade is not a zero-sum game. China can thrive and rise, and we can, too, at the same time. That’s what’s been happening for the past 40 years. But we’d be even better off if China offered the kind of easy access to its market for U.S. manufacturers that it enjoys in America. It’s time to recalibrate U.S.-China economic ties before it really is too late.

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Hendrik_2000

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Via xyz see they start production of even more sophisticated NAND chip. so trade or no trade war the FAB in china will churning chip like there is no tomorrow
Yangtze Memory gearing up for transition to 128-layer 3D NAND

Siu Han, Taipei; Jessie Shen, DIGITIMES
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Yangtze Memory gearing up for transition to 128-layer 3D NAND

Wednesday 14 November 2018

China's Yangtze Memory Technology (YMTC) has started delivering samples of its 64-layer 3D NAND chip with volume production likely to kick off in the third quarter of 2019, according to sources familiar with the matter. The company also plans to move directly to the 128-layer generation with volume production scheduled for 2020.

YMTC has no plans to provide 96-layer 3D NAND chips as the company intends to skip the generation and jump directly to 128 layers, the sources noted.

YMTC's in-house developed Xtacking architecture is already adopted in the company's 64-layer 3D NAND engineering samples. Xtacking enables YMTC's 64-layer 3D NAND to be competitive with the available 96-layer 3D NAND solutions, the sources continued.

YMTC CEO Simon Yang was quoted in previous reports that the company is set to enter volume production of 64-layer 3D NAND flash memory in the fourth quarter of 2019. Yang added YMTC's 32-layer 3D NAND process technology is pretty mature and has been involved in production for small-volume orders.

The roll-out of 64-layer 3D NAND process technology will enable YMTC's product gross margin to turn positive from negative, said Yang, adding that the company expects its monthly production capacity to hit 100,000 wafers after moving 64-layer 3D NAND technology to volume production.

Founded in 2016 and headquartered in Wuhan, YMTC is invested jointly by Tsinghua Unigroup, China's National IC Industry Investment Fund and Hubei Local IC Funds. YMTC developed its first 3D NAND flash chip in 2017.

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AndrewS

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Meaning that both the US, EU and Japan wants China to fully open up their market without restriction while they can close their market via "national security and rule of law."o_O

Of course they want China to fully open the domestic market.

Note that the US and EU do have much more open markets than China.
So given the situation, I think China can substantially loosen investment and import restrictions, which should have a net positive result for the Chinese economy.

But also note that Japan is significantly more hostile to foreign investment and imports than China.
 

SteelBird

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Meaning that both the US, EU and Japan wants China to fully open up their market without restriction while they can close their market via "national security and rule of law."o_O
US and EU will say that they want all to open or restrict their respective market equally. Let's make an example: US and EU have 1, 2, 3, 4 and China has 2, 3, 4, 5. So Trump will say: "Hey Xi, pls open 2, 3, 4 and 5 together and you can block 1 for national security reason" (China doesn't have 1 :rolleyes:).
 
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