Trade War with China
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AssassinsMace
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Yes trying to spin Chinese spending more than ever on Singles Day as a negative result of Trump's trade war. They try to dissect and parse but it still says the one thing the West uses to evaluate confidence in the their economies is consumers are spending and in China it's more than ever. You can't say this is what it means here but says something completely different somewhere else. Before China's tourism boom, they use say there's no tourism in China because culturally Chinese don't do multi-day trips so the idea of creating a Chinese tourist industry was doomed to fail. They said that right when all these foreign casino companies wanted to build Macao as the Las Vegas of the East. Now Macao has the highest GDP in the world. Chinese international tourists are the largest and spend more per person than any other group. And let's remember how they said the Chinese don't spend money. They save so any notion that there was hope of a Chinese consumer culture was complete fantasy.
please ban tidalwave, he is troll/useless to this forum.
I ask him what policies he thinks would have propelled China to self-sufficiency without sacrificing sovereignty.
He just said he knows them but doesn't respond. Now he expects others to respond to him.
Yeah right for a newbie. What have you done?
Find the thread when I mention legacy analog chip, that's the clue.
Judging by your comment, I think it's useless to reply directly, I don't think you can understand.
I create the Tibet Water to xin-jiang thread and among others
What have you done???
Current trade war is the tech war.
Guy with no technical ground , doesn't agree with what I said purposely avoid technical aspects and engaging in useless things trying to throw me off balance..
I pose some technical questions to screen those engaging in that tactic.
I said current China obsession with AI is excessive. AI is field with low barrier to entry. That's why so many Chinese companies are into it.
Reality check
Obviously, it’s hard to argue against a population of 1.4 billion. But China’s over-reliance on the popular concept of “speed and scale” is a red herring that masks the real challenges that lurk behind AI and Trump.
First, consider AI.
In the early 2000s, too many Chinese companies jumped at the development of LCD driver chips. Many eventually crashed and burned. By 2011, hundreds of Chinese startups had sprung up, working on apps processors for smartphones. Today, again, only a few survivors remain. In the last few years, Chinese technology history appears to be repeating itself. Now, hundreds of Chinese startups are flocking to AI.
Is there any reason to assert that the outcome will be different in China this time around?
Guy with no technical ground , doesn't agree with what I said purposely avoid technical aspects and engaging in useless things trying to throw me off balance..
I pose some technical questions to screen those engaging in that tactic.
I said current China obsession with AI is excessive. AI is field with low barrier to entry. That's why so many Chinese companies are into it.
Reality check
Obviously, it’s hard to argue against a population of 1.4 billion. But China’s over-reliance on the popular concept of “speed and scale” is a red herring that masks the real challenges that lurk behind AI and Trump.
First, consider AI.
In the early 2000s, too many Chinese companies jumped at the development of LCD driver chips. Many eventually crashed and burned. By 2011, hundreds of Chinese startups had sprung up, working on apps processors for smartphones. Today, again, only a few survivors remain. In the last few years, Chinese technology history appears to be repeating itself. Now, hundreds of Chinese startups are flocking to AI.
Is there any reason to assert that the outcome will be different in China this time around?
Hendrik_2000
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I don't see what is the problem with that ! That is the natural law Ever heard the expression of "Survival of the fittest" That what make Chinese capitalism is so powerful "intense and brutal competition" It has propel China from nobody to the 2nd largest economy within a generation A feat unheard of in the anal of economic history. A unlikely to be repeated
Competition breed excellence , Complacency and over cautious breed mediocrity and eventual failure look at GE, Harley Davidson, Motorola, Nokia, and many more
From your post I can see you read and trusted western press that exactly criticize China like you do But they were wrong for ages and never even right once when it come to Chinese economy or sciences They are full of hubris and sense of elevated superiority that does not even close to reality
At one time there are hundred of car manufacturer in US then one by one fall by wayside And in the 70's there are four. GM. Ford. Chrysler and American motor
Now there are only 3 Soon maybe there are only 1 or 2
A1 is not a hype The legacy computer so called Von Neuman machine is coming to end It will go the route of Dodo bird, Horse drawn buggy and slide rule Face it You are so ignorant that you see forest but don't see tree in front of you
Sure some my fall on the wayside but the best will survive. A1 just like electric car and 5th Gen Cellphone provide China with level playing field A1 will go into everything so it is the right direction
All those Intel, Qualcomm and AMD will become history soon mark my word As is now Intel is losing market share everyday They are not even at cutting edge anymore having failed in their attempt at 10 nm repeatedly
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The expression of "Putting all eggs into one basket" applies here.
The issues with A1 mainly
1)Its Not fundamental Science Research. It's higher up application alogorithm level and by definitely it's not critical. It's a luxury.
2)The reason of so many Chinese companies into is because low barrier entry, meaning people wants to get into because it's easy to start. All they need to do is download some open source algorithm like tensorflow and apply them into specific application. There are hundred of Chinese companies into AI and majority is that , getting opensource algorithm and apply them into application. Only one or two has the money to build hardware acceleration using 14nm or 7nm tech.
Hendrik_2000
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You are full of BS A1 is not just algorithm It is only one of the building block. There are chips , There cloud data center , There database mining and much more It is whole new paradigm and ecosystem.The more data that you have the better your system is going to be because you can train your algorithm is much larger set of data and therefore more accurate.
And China has a lead because there is less concern about privacy and the giant like Tencent and Alibaba collecting all kind of data on 1.3 billion people
It still algorithm they are focusing. The chip itself is just to make certain part of algorithm run faster and those cannot afford the chip just optimize on their software . The database and data , all those are just software elements.
They are focusing on data , not electron, light, atoms and molecules and those are the fundamental science. Chinese companies dont want to focus too much fundamental science because its long and painful and possibly no economic reward.
Like you say they doing this whole ecosystem yet they have source alot of critical components from US. Missing even one critical element would bring the whole ecosystem down.
I am not saying they shouldnt do AI but should spend no more than 50% of their resources on that.
while remaining 50% should be on fundamental science stuffs .
Like Huawei, the biggest Chinese tech , purchased Capila,(some name like that) small european team with tie to a university to do Silicon Photonics for Fiber Optics. Its critical technology if they want to handle huge amount of data for AI. Yet they didn't want to do research in China and buy a small team oversea. It's alot of semiconductor process engineering which Huawei didn't feel like they have the expertise.That shows they are not serious on those area while focus alot on AI. Its very unbalanced,
Silicon Photonics is part of AI, part of ecosystem why Huawei doesn't want to spend enough money and effort on it?
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Have you even done any work on AI? It has a tremendous barrier to entry. It requires good hardware and software and smart people. There are very few AI/microchip design experts and they're all in the US. If the US doesn't want Chinese students nor sell their tech, what can Chinese do besides throwing money at it?
AI will bring the cost of everything down and prevent having to outsource manufacturing and increase people's quality of life.
I think it's the right direction. Better than mass socialism.
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