Trade War with China

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gelgoog

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People talk as if the US has legitimate gripes against Chinese behavior on trade. That would be true if China didn't have legitimate gripes about the US. Everything complained about China Trump says US allies are just as bad. Do you see anyone telling how US allies are on the path to nowhere? The US complains about trade deficits yet has restrictions on selling to China technology they can't produced or cost more to do it themselves. Meaning the only things that China can buy from the US is stuff China can make for themselves and at a cheaper cost. The trade deficit is of the US's own making. The US is on the path of unreasonable expectations. The lesson learned is not about playing fair. It's having the advantage over the other. The truth is the US and its corporations take advantage of cheap labor in China so they can make more money than they would any place else. Outsourcing is misrepresented in US trade figures. China doesn't profit from over 60% of products exported to the US that are sold to consumers. Trump is not calling for reducing trade with China to balance trade. He demands China buy more from the US to make up for a fictional trade deficit meaning the US makes more off a lie. The laws of supply and demand are capitalist principles. Trump demands China buy stuff Chinese don't need. If the US is too afraid of selling technology to China they won't be able to control what China does with it, that's the US's problem. Not China's. They want to have it both ways. Now they not only want to prevent China from having that technology. They expect China to commit to not developing it for themselves either. Yes and let's not forget they accuse slave labor yet fully exploit it for themselves.

This is quite true. One good example is the iPhone. The Chinese get, what, $6 USD for building what sells for like $600 USD in the USA and worldwide. It's the Nike business model. These global corporations have more money than some nation states stashed in offshore accounts. Then they use that money parked abroad as collateral for loans they contract in the USA. They use that to pay salaries or, worse, do stock buybacks to reward mostly the managers and financiers. They do this instead of repatriating the money to avoid taxes. Then the banks implode (surprise) and the tax payers bail them out. This is the largest transfer of wealth in history and blaming the Chinese for it is just inane. They are as much victims of this as everyone else.
 

tidalwave

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Too much heat in the kitchen?? Hellooooo...lil wisdom man, anybody home?

Remember, the name of the game is prediction, predicting what Xi is gonna do! With alot of liberal think tank and advisors in China trying to appease US , it might affect Xi and with that happens then it would contradict lil Wisdom man 's wisdom prediction. What Xi gonna to do is the importance, who care about my position, Comprende Amigo? Muy Bien!
 

tidalwave

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How is China playing along with Trump? All China is saying is what it said a million times already: we won't negotiate except as equals, we aren't afraid of a trade war, etc. To me it's clear that China has completely written off this administration and is just waiting it out as it moves along with MiC2025 and technological independence.
No way, Jose.
Xi talked with Trump on the phone, exchanged pleasantries and smiled at each other. If two were at same room, they might even kiss each other, of course man kiss style.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Too much heat in the kitchen?? Hellooooo...lil wisdom man, anybody home?

Remember, the name of the game is prediction, predicting what Xi is gonna do! With alot of liberal think tank and advisors in China trying to appease US , it might affect Xi and with that happens then it would contradict lil Wisdom man 's wisdom prediction. What Xi gonna to do is the importance, who care about my position, Comprende Amigo? Muy Bien!

As I said before Chinese academician are cheer leader for western democracy. It has been like that for ages But they don't run the country. They can express their opinion freely but they are not in the power
The CCP is in the power and the bureaucrat that run the ministry are not from academic world So they are dog barking at the wrong tree
The CCP cannot afford to give in to the US demand or they are going to commit suicide Plain as that
 

AndrewS

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Too much heat in the kitchen?? Hellooooo...lil wisdom man, anybody home?

Remember, the name of the game is prediction, predicting what Xi is gonna do! With alot of liberal think tank and advisors in China trying to appease US , it might affect Xi and with that happens then it would contradict lil Wisdom man 's wisdom prediction. What Xi gonna to do is the importance, who care about my position, Comprende Amigo? Muy Bien!

I'm reading this, and you sound like a child. Please grow up
 

manqiangrexue

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Too much heat in the kitchen?? Hellooooo...lil wisdom man, anybody home?
Yes, too much nonsense in this kitchen. Nobody can understand your point.

Remember, the name of the game is prediction, predicting what Xi is gonna do!
Uh, no, that's not the name of the game. We are here to share news and analyze, not to guess angrily when we really don't know. That's a fool's game. It's ok to just not know something when the answer is not there. It's better than filling it with (angry) wrong answers and guesses from all sides of the spectrum.

With alot of liberal think tank and advisors in China trying to appease US , it might affect Xi and with that happens then it would contradict lil Wisdom man 's wisdom prediction.
Who is Wisdom man and what is his prediction? Why is that important? Everything you say is just nonsense, including the names you're making up for people.

What Xi gonna to do is the importance, who care about my position, Comprende Amigo? Muy Bien!
No make sense, no comprende. When you come into a discussion, you should have a position, otherwise, you're just vomiting words. People who are educated understand that you need a position, and supporting arguments to join a discussion intelligently. Of course your position is not important to the world; Xi's actions are, but for you, that's the most important thing you can offer to your audience, and it's sadly incoherent.

So you have no position, you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you want to see and you can't possibly have any meaningful goals for posting here given the above. You're just venting your childish anger at life, the source of which likely has nothing to do with any topics here. It's quite frankly sad.

No way, Jose.
Xi talked with Trump on the phone, exchanged pleasantries and smiled at each other. If two were at same room, they might even kiss each other, of course man kiss style.
They smiled at each other on the phone? You never cease to prove your stupidity with every post.

And I don't know what you do with other guys, but I don't even know what "man kiss style" is LOL. To me, that's a handshake.
 
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Equation

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People talk as if the US has legitimate gripes against Chinese behavior on trade. That would be true if China didn't have legitimate gripes about the US. Everything complained about China Trump says US allies are just as bad. Do you see anyone telling how US allies are on the path to nowhere? The US complains about trade deficits yet has restrictions on selling to China technology they can't produced or cost more to do it themselves. Meaning the only things that China can buy from the US is stuff China can make for themselves and at a cheaper cost. The trade deficit is of the US's own making. The US is on the path of unreasonable expectations. The lesson learned is not about playing fair. It's having the advantage over the other. The truth is the US and its corporations take advantage of cheap labor in China so they can make more money than they would any place else. Outsourcing is misrepresented in US trade figures. China doesn't profit from over 60% of products exported to the US that are sold to consumers. Trump is not calling for reducing trade with China to balance trade. He demands China buy more from the US to make up for a fictional trade deficit meaning the US makes more off a lie. The laws of supply and demand are capitalist principles. Trump demands China buy stuff Chinese don't need. If the US is too afraid of selling technology to China they won't be able to control what China does with it, that's the US's problem. Not China's. They want to have it both ways. Now they not only want to prevent China from having that technology. They expect China to commit to not developing it for themselves either. Yes and let's not forget they accuse slave labor yet fully exploit it for themselves.
And you will NEVER this hear or see this kind of narrative in ANY US media whether it's "liberal" or "conservative".
 

AssassinsMace

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And you will NEVER this hear or see this kind of narrative in ANY US media whether it's "liberal" or "conservative".

That's because all the world is seeing is just the good cop, bad cop routine. Even when Trump is out of office, don't expect things to go back to the way they were before Trump became President. Trump isn't the creator of those lies. He's just a believer in those lies. I'm for exposing the lies about trade and that can mean some of the worst things happening. They want to believe in their lies, they should pay the cost so they'll remember it for the next time. The US already doesn't buy actual Chinese products especially technological because of prejudices. China is not going feel as much pain because they're not losing much of anything selling to the US that didn't exist before. The US will feel the pain worse because they exploit slave labor in China and they'll lose all the money having to pay more for production. If US companies are in China, it's because it's where those companies make max profits. They can move to other countries but having cheaper labor isn't the only factor. The stock market is significantly about confidence. A company can lose stock value even after reporting a profit but if it doesn't make more than the last time, it goes down. There's an expectation they have to make more and more. What Trump is doing to US companies is making all of them less and less money.
 

tidalwave

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As I said before Chinese academician are cheer leader for western democracy. It has been like that for ages But they don't run the country. They can express their opinion freely but they are not in the power
The CCP is in the power and the bureaucrat that run the ministry are not from academic world So they are dog barking at the wrong tree
The CCP cannot afford to give in to the US demand or they are going to commit suicide Plain as that

Those liberal thinking has alot pulls and influence on the ruling body. Kudlow already said China would make a deal if Not for Xi. Li Keqiang , Lu He are the liberal thinking type. So, was Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao. Those guys would definitely willing to do things to appease US.
Xi is different, China Revitalization and dream is his concept . He's the one not willing to give up industrial policy and tech development.
But.. even him is feeling alot of heat and hence the recent phone exchange with Trump. Even he is trying hard to convince Trump not to slap tariff on the remaining goods.
We all assume Xi is willing to stand up and won't give up the bottom line. That remains to be seen. Crossing the finger!
 

Insignius

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I honestly fear for Xi. China has so many traitors and typical confucian appeasement types around who historically cant wait to send the babarian hordes tons of silver teals and dozens of princesses to make them stop sacking our towns. The patriot-general Yue Fei's story is well known and I hope Xi wont end up like him.
 
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