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Today CNN display on its headline the photo of bodies of a father and his two years old daughters who died of drowning while trying to cross the borders into the US. I feel it very disturbing every time I opened edition.cnn.com. Pages shouldn't display dead bodies in such manner.
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zealotaiur485

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This forum is going downhill. Repeatedly closing threads and banning users without warning. Fastest way to drive away traffic and kill the site.

The irony is the new rule regarding no political discussions. Has any of the mods checked American websites like reddit, youtube, etc.. where anti-China comments are the norm?
You don't see mods on there banning users left and right. Quite the opposite, anti-China sentiments are encouraged on US websites.
Seems like mods on this website are trying to keep the truth from spilling out amidst the current trade war. Well, here's the truth: US-China relations are becoming more and more hostile. And this will definitely affect every ethnic Chinese person living in the USA (remember the Japanese American internment camps or McCarthyism?). If anyone here is living in the USA, you might want to think about moving back to China. This is just a friendly advice.

Goodbye. It was a nice couple of months - learned a lot..
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
This forum is going downhill. Repeatedly closing threads and banning users without warning. Fastest way to drive away traffic and kill the site.

The irony is the new rule regarding no political discussions. Has any of the mods checked American websites like reddit, youtube, etc.. where anti-China comments are the norm?
You don't see mods on there banning users left and right. Quite the opposite, anti-China sentiments are encouraged on US websites.
Seems like mods on this website are trying to keep the truth from spilling out amidst the current trade war. Well, here's the truth: US-China relations are becoming more and more hostile. And this will definitely affect every ethnic Chinese person living in the USA (remember the Japanese American internment camps or McCarthyism?). If anyone here is living in the USA, you might want to think about moving back to China. This is just a friendly advice.

Goodbye. It was a nice couple of months - learned a lot..

The main issue with restricting political discussion is not that other places allow it; it's that politics is the root of everything from economics to military to technology. Withholding politics in these discussions is like withholding the discussion of air molecules in a debate about jet kinematics.

I know there are some members here who like to selectively report political discussions while they themselves have been known to discuss (or rather, start a discussion on) topics like "freedom" in the J-20 thread, but I'd to remind anyone reading that reporting posts that you don't like (which are devoid of profanity or personal attack) is simply shoving your head in the dirt to avoid seeing the real world. There are no mods in life and these political discussions are real.

Since America is all about democracy and this is an American forum, I think a democratic approach would be much better. Posts with 5 or 6 or more likes from senior members or above (to prevent people from making numerous fake accounts) should be free from moderation. They represent the true opinion of the people and covering these up is simply a disservice to the truth-seeking aspect of the forum.
 
The main issue with restricting political discussion is not that other places allow it; it's that politics is the root of everything from economics to military to technology. Withholding politics in these discussions is like withholding the discussion of air molecules in a debate about jet kinematics.

I know there are some members here who like to selectively report political discussions while they themselves have been known to discuss (or rather, start a discussion on) topics like "freedom" in the J-20 thread, but I'd to remind anyone reading that reporting posts that you don't like (which are devoid of profanity or personal attack) is simply shoving your head in the dirt to avoid seeing the real world. There are no mods in life and these political discussions are real.

Since America is all about democracy and this is an American forum, I think a democratic approach would be much better. Posts with 5 or 6 or more likes from senior members or above (to prevent people from making numerous fake accounts) should be free from moderation. They represent the true opinion of the people and covering these up is simply a disservice to the truth-seeking aspect of the forum.
as Deino said
#1 Deino, Today at 3:32 PM
you may try to get
WebMaster
to address the situation
(personally I think he should say something now, but he won't)
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
as Deino said
#1 Deino, Today at 3:32 PM
you may try to get
WebMaster
to address the situation
(personally I think he should say something now, but he won't)

I'd rather not spend my time trying to get a hold of someone who hasn't been around for a year. Nobody knows if someone who hasn't been active for that long is still alive or ever plans to check back.

I wrote that to show the members of this forum my opinion, which is the true purpose of a forum and it was posted in the correct thread. That's enough for me.
 

solarz

Brigadier
The main issue with restricting political discussion is not that other places allow it; it's that politics is the root of everything from economics to military to technology. Withholding politics in these discussions is like withholding the discussion of air molecules in a debate about jet kinematics.

I know there are some members here who like to selectively report political discussions while they themselves have been known to discuss (or rather, start a discussion on) topics like "freedom" in the J-20 thread, but I'd to remind anyone reading that reporting posts that you don't like (which are devoid of profanity or personal attack) is simply shoving your head in the dirt to avoid seeing the real world. There are no mods in life and these political discussions are real.

Since America is all about democracy and this is an American forum, I think a democratic approach would be much better. Posts with 5 or 6 or more likes from senior members or above (to prevent people from making numerous fake accounts) should be free from moderation. They represent the true opinion of the people and covering these up is simply a disservice to the truth-seeking aspect of the forum.
I understand that we don't want SDF to become like a pro-Chinese Reddit, but what I don't understand is why the Mods almost exclusively moderate posts from pro-Chinese posters, while leaving those anti-Chinese posters alone, even though they repeatedly break forum rules such as bringing up religion and posting useless one-liners. I have personally reported multiple instances of such occurrences, yet I see no action from the Mods.

I dare say the majority of valuable contributors to this forum are ethnic Chinese. I don't oppose a certain amount of moderation to keep blatant nationalism in check, support it even, but I cannot condone this systematic pattern of silencing Chinese voices, especially on a forum that is supposed to be about the Chinese military.

Let me post the rules of the SDF here:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/sinodefence-forum-rules-of-behavior.t6741/

GENERAL RULES:

  • All new members must read the forum rules and follow them. It is expected that you will have done this and moderators will treat you as if though you have done so. So, READ THE RULES and follow them.

  • This is an English language forum. You may post in a any language, however provide an English translation for any non-English post and any links posted.

  • This is a military forum. Non-military topics belong in the provided off-topic forums. Politics and ideology are not a part of "off topic" posts, they are not what SD is about and we discourage them heavily..

  • This is a professional forum. Do not make nonsensical claims or points. Moderators will remove them and ask you to stop.

  • Stay on topic. Off-topic discussions, if they persist, will be moved or deleted.

  • When posting a new topic, use the search function, and also look through earlier threads to ensure it is not a duplicate post.

  • Only post pictures that are either on your server, or a common online server like flikr, etc. Also, very high res pictures (like anything over 2000 pix) should have a smaller version posted with a link to the high res. See how BD Popeye does it in the Daily US Naval Pictures thread in the Military Pictures Forum. Pictures over that simply take too long to load, slowing down everyone who visits this page. Such posts will be deleted.

  • A maximum of 5 pictures are allowed in any one post. A maximum of three five picture posts will be allowed in sequence.

  • Only post videos that are either on your server, or a common online video server like Youtube, News Service, etc.

  • A maximum of 2 videos are allowed in any one post. Do not post multiple posts of two videos to get around this limit.

  • Do not make one line posts. You will be warned if you persist in doing so.

  • Multiple accounts are not permitted. They will be deleted.

  • If a thread is old, or closed, and if new material comes up, open a new thread under the same name but add a "II" or next available Roman Numeral to the thread title.

DO NOT DO THE FOLLOWING:

  • Post any personal attacks, political or ideological propaganda, or commercial advertisements better know as spam.

  • Post any swearing, foul language (damn, hell & ass are permissible) or any sexually explicit terms. Do not use them for user names. . Do not posts asterisks in place of the letters to try and get around this rule.

  • Post Text message abbreviations such as U R, ppl..etc.. etc... or excessively use slang language.

  • Post any comments would be offensive to any ethnic, racial or religious groups or government. For example, "Chinaman," and "Chicomm," are offensive to our Chinese members and not permitted.

  • Post any comments that prompt anger or hatred between different countries or groups of people. This includes "Nationalistic chest thumping," "Country bashing," and any attempts to insult countries, governments, or people (particularly with insulting labels, like Nazis, etc.). Moderators will determine if such language and posts exist and delete them and warn or suspend the member depending on the severity.

  • Post or take part in meaningless arguments and inappropriate provocation of members.

  • Post anything that the moderators/administrator regard as inappropriate. This includes "sexual comments," including idiotic & immature "she's hot" etc comments. Remain respectful to all women, military or otherwise.

  • Post any article by someone else without comments of the poster and a link to it. You are responsible of the content of your links so do not post trash.

  • Post anything (pictures or any plagiarism ) that violates an author's copyright. Always provide a source if quoting someone else.

  • Post any purely political comments of any sort.

  • Post comparison threads or posts.

FORBIDDEN TOPICS:

  • No "what if" discussion about war, particularly nuclear war, between China and other nations, or between any nations.

  • No discussions that compare Indian defense against Chinese defense or India Vs China discussions...or any other such comparisons of particularly difficult situations.

  • No discussion of revenge against any country for past actions that are now historical. IE. Mao and Chinese Cultural Revolution, the Russian Stalinist era, the Japanese atrocities in World War II, etc.

  • No discussions regarding Tienanmen Square or the Tibet operations in the 1950s.

  • No discussions promoting any Terrorist Organization or their ideologies.

  • No discussion about, or photos or videos of, sexual themes, pornography, or nudity.

  • No discussion regarding any commercial activity seeking the money or business of forum members.

  • No discussion of purely political issues.

WARNINGS AND BANNINGS:

  • Members will receive warnings for minor infractions which will appear in the Banned/Public Warning list.

  • After two warnings a member will receive a one week suspension.

  • After a third warning a member will be banned for longer periods or may be banned permanently.

  • A member may be banned at a moderators discretion for unspecified amounts of time or permanently without warnings issued for any major infraction.

  • Super Moderators can ban members, and the banning will appear in the Public Banned/Warning list.

  • Members shall not publicly call for the banning of any member.
In the past few weeks, I have seen posters get warned/banned for getting into pro/anti-China arguments, and it was always the pro-China poster that gets warned/banned. Doesn't it take two to tango?

I have also seen posters putting up blatantly biased anti-China articles to troll other posters, yet that is apparently not considered "country-bashing" as no Mod action was taken.

Yet another poster called everyone who disagreed with his pro-American views conspiracy theorists, yet no Mod action was taken either. While I personally don't think any mod action was necessary, but this was clearly the same level of infraction as those the pro-China posters got warned/banned for.

The Webmaster gives us a lot of freedom, all he asks is that we are respectful toward each other, and by and large I think we can all agree with that. However, I think that in order to foster a truly respectful forum, there needs to be even and unbiased moderation.
 

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