The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

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Irrecoverable losses by Russia is more than 90.000 according to this source:

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Who would have thought western economic inflation would spread to their war reporting like this. Just add a zero at the end, like they are doing with supermarket prices and energy bills, it’s become so normal no one would even question it!
 

memfisa

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Result of Ramstein 6: Germany to hand over additional PzH 2000 and MARS II to UkraineParticipants of Ramstein-6 meeting coordinate support for Ukraine.

Germany to transfer additional PzH 2000 to Ukraine / photo facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua
Germany is committed to transfer additional Panzerhaubitze 2000 howitzers and MARS II multiple rocket launchers to Ukraine.
The German Defence Ministry said in a statement on microblogging Twitter.

"The Ramstein meeting takes place in wartime: missile attacks and partial mobilisation in Russia, simulated referendums, and a Ukrainian counter-offensive. We are coordinating our current support. More PzH 2000 and MARS II will be handed over to Ukraine in the next few weeks," the statement said.

"Ramstein-6: what is known

As reported by UNIAN, today, October 12, in Brussels (Belgium), a meeting of the Contact Group on Defence of Ukraine (the so-called "Ramstein-6") takes place.
At the beginning of the meeting, United States Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin said that the Ukrainian military had changed the dynamics of the war unleashed by Russia, support for Ukraine will increase.
For his part, Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksiy Reznikov said that he was optimistic about strengthening Ukraine's air defence. According to him, the first item on today's agenda of the Ramstein-6 meetings and NATO defence ministers is the strengthening of Ukraine's air defence.
Imagine a day when the second greatest and most comprehensive layered air defence of Europe is inadequate and needs to be "strengthened" with wonder weapons. What happend to all the other stuff? Russians were supposed to not know about SEAD according to pro Ukrainians and pro Russians alike.
 

memfisa

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What is it that you're saying that Ukrainians that have lived in Ukraine all of their lives are not used to their own winter? Remember they are fighting in Ukraine not the cold parts of Russia. Besides I think you forgot the invasion began Feb 24th when Russia had all their best equipment and best troops before getting routed from Kyiv, Kharkiv city and other parts of the north. At the time only weapons Ukraine had were NLAWS, JAVs and stinger missiles.
Oh come on. Please dont try and gaslight us as if Ukraine on Feb 24th wasn't the #2 mechanized military in all of Europe. With 8 years of best in the world NATO training, battle hardened experience, and management by NATO.

All they had was NLAWS Java and stingers. Lol this audience is not the Twitter or reddit bot audience

Not trying to be rude, I'm just so sick and tired of psyops and propaganda that when it reaches a forum I enjoy that's at the back corner of the internet, I have to point it out
 

Biscuits

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Oh come on. Please dont try and gaslight us as if Ukraine on Feb 24th wasn't the #2 mechanized military in all of Europe. With 8 years of best in the world NATO training, battle hardened experience, and management by NATO.

All they had was NLAWS Java and stingers. Lol this audience is not the Twitter or reddit bot audience

Not trying to be rude, I'm just so sick and tired of psyops and propaganda that when it reaches a forum I enjoy that's at the back corner of the internet, I have to point it out
More importantly they inherited give or take 30% of what the USSR had ready to run over NATO which even US realized they would need nukes to deter them because conventional wouldn't go well.

I mean, in Feb 24 if the AFU were to invade Poland and Germany, assuming no one helps on either side, I would not be certain it would go well for the latter at all. Obviously, Ukraine didn't grow since the end of the USSR and gradually weakened, while Germany kept advancing in tech. Likewise, Russia also weakened gradually as well.

Since losing the bulk of its original equipment, the AFU is still not close to its starting combat power despite whatever NATO claims is "best in the world" training. The failures to repeat any major counteroffensive like the Kiev one is a testament to that.
 

Tam

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Imagine a day when the second greatest and most comprehensive layered air defence of Europe is inadequate and needs to be "strengthened" with wonder weapons. What happend to all the other stuff? Russians were supposed to not know about SEAD according to pro Ukrainians and pro Russians alike.

Many of the missiles and drones appear to hit air defense sites throughout the country dead on. Col. Macgregor here mentioned that 80% of the air defenses were wiped out, hence why Zelensky is begging desperately for SAMs.


It's ironic that during the drone and missile raids, Buks and S-300s that have missed their targets are falling on civilian areas, adding to the damage already taken.
 

Temstar

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Many of the missiles and drones appear to hit air defense sites throughout the country dead on. Col. Macgregor here mentioned that 80% of the air defenses were wiped out, hence why Zelensky is begging desperately for SAMs.


It's ironic that during the drone and missile raids, Buks and S-300s that have missed their targets are falling on civilian areas, adding to the damage already taken.
How is it a few new SAM there and there will change the equation when you're facing massed Shahed-136?
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(at about 8:30), Xi Yazhou let it slip that he's heard rumors that a certain Chinese company has received an order for a part that he implies looks like it's intended for Shahed-136. That order was for five digit number of that part.

If true I think it would be very difficult for anyone's AD to stop UAVs in that kind of number, even China's own AD would probably struggle never mind a hodge podge system put together in the middle of a war.
 
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Atomicfrog

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How is it a few new SAM there and there will change the equation when you're facing massed Shahed-136?
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(at about 8:30), Xi Yazhou let it slip that he's heard rumors that a certain Chinese company has received an order for a part that he implies looks like it's intended for Shahed-136. That order was for five digit number of that part.

If true I think it would be very difficult for anyone's AD to stop UAVs in that kind of number, even China's own AD would probably struggle never mind a hodge podge system put together in the middle of a war.
Drone swarm... if they continue to be able to pass trough, all soft static targets will be destroyed more or less. Russian still need to recon these and have good coordinate to be able to use the Shahed-136 efficiently. Laser will be a nice thing for sure to kill that kind of attack in future war.
 
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