The War in the Ukraine

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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Let's just hold Russia to same standard as China. If China suffered such set back people will be reflecting now making up excuses. Russia is facing set backs in Ukrainian war this is a fact. There are strategicly important land lost like Izym so it is unlikely to be a feint retreat.
the defeat is real, but there's still those in Russia who take the stance that the war in Ukraine is just the czar's business. Hopefully the defeat can shock them into understanding that it is not just the czar's business any more than the Nazi German invasion of the USSR was just the Politburo's business. Ukraine is a struggle for Russian survival, as Ukraine has already declared that it is seeking unconditional capitulation of the Russian government.
 

jvodan

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No like I saw a couple videos where they fired into the sky, not at the ground.
Artillery is also fired into the sky.
The targeting computer computes the the angle required to achieve the range to target.
Basically they are using the helicopters as airborne MLRS.
I dont know it any of the rockets they are firing have any form of terminal guidance but if they did firing at an angle would also increase the range of rockets with active terminal guidance.

They do this to maintain a greater distance between the helicopters and any potential air defences
 

sheogorath

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Whenever I see a video of Russian helicopters in action, they usually just go nose up and fire their unguided rockets in the general direction of the Ukrainians. Its dubious whether this method is really all that effective, and calls into question the quality of the air force itself. I mean, its about as useful as the Ukrainians using RPGs in indirect fire mode.

Ka-52 have a ballistic computer that uses the helicopter position and target location to calculate an angle of attack on which to fire which is then displayed on the HUD

You can see the circle with the dot in the middle at the end of this video
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And they are fairly accurate

The ones eyeballing it are the Ukranians trying to do the same with Mi-8's
 

reservior dogs

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I'm not sure how defeat improves morale. It probably forced them to make a decision that they should've made 4 months ago
It is not supposed to improve morale. In fact, he is trying to induce panic in the Russian population. Once panic sets in, it would allow Putin to silence his critics, and mobilize for the next level of war.
 

reservior dogs

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Putin can declare war on Ukraine because of presence of NATO troops, weapons, aid in Ukraine.
Putin can declare war on Ukraine because of alleged genocidal policies against ethnic kinsmen by neo-Nazis.

Why does Putin need to fake "defeats" to issue a formal war declaration? You can literally make up any reason to declare war at this point, and since Putin controls the media, who is there to offer an alternative opinion?
It is not about the declaration of war. It is about the hearts and minds of the Russian population. If panic sets in that Russia can lose this war, the population will rally behind the country. Putin can openly take actions against the oligarchs who refuse to pay up (so far, he has been assassinating them behind public view).
 

Phead128

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Putin declared there is a genocide against Russian citizens in Ukraine ... So if that doesn't induce panic in Russian population, and rallying domestic support for war declaration, then a few feint retreats surely won't either. These far-away towns and villages that were given up are not even critical to survival of Russian state.
 

reservior dogs

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Putin already declared there is a genocide against Russian citizens in Ukraine ... So if that doesn't induce panic in Russian population, and rallying domestic support for war declaration, then a few feint retreats surely won't either. These far-away towns and villages that were given up are not even critical to survival of Russian state.
Genocide induce anger, but not panic. As long as the Russians believe Russia can easily win this war, there will be infighting, there will be people who try to dodge the draft. There will be oligarchs who put their self interests over the nation's interests. The panic is about Russia potentially losing to a Ukrainian army that is aided by the West, at least in Ukraine.
 

tankphobia

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When the Russians were retreating from Izyum and being defeated in Lyman, I accepted the narrative that the Russians are failing due to lack of manpower, lack of modern electronic equipment etc. The Ukrainians simply pour more manpower with Western backing into some weak point in the Russian defense line and broke through. I changed my mind when I see the Kherson retreat.

If you look at how the Russians fought this war, they have been very careful to advance in a broad front and not allow a single spearhead to push too far into enemy territory. This is to avoid the spearhead being cutoff and surrounded. In Kherson, we have a single Ukrainian spearhead traveling along the road deep into Russian territory. The Russians have troops in the area. There are many ways to deal with this grouping who are confined to the roads due to the increasingly muddy situation. The Russians can simply cut them off and destroy them, but instead, they retreated to "avoid being surrounded". I now believe in the whole retreat business, Putin is playing a game. This guy in Zhihu wrote an answer that voiced a similar view.

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Putin is using this "defeat" to mobilize inside Russia for a full declaration of war and to take out all of the Ukrainian territory East of the Dnipro River and all of the South including Odessa. He is using this "defeat" to silence all dissent inside Russia and mobilize public opinion so he can have the mandate to go to the next level.

The next phase of the war will be a lot more brutal. At the end, there won't be much of a Ukraine left when all is said and done.
Well whater 5D chess move Russia is doing, it's certainly not good for morale in the Kherson front.
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