The War in the Ukraine

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Overbom

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Abominable said:
Not sure if this is a joke map or not (look at the names), but if Russia accepts this as a compromise it'll go down as a pyrrhic victory.
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Why? I always considered from the beginning that the minimum acceptable gain for Russia from this war is something similar with what is shown by that map (eastern + southern Ukraine).

Russia can also push Belarus to invade from the north in order for it to get more land (which would weaken Ukraine even more without Russia having to occupy these lands). Basically East + South Ukraine for Russia, North Ukraine for Belarus. This would guarantee a destroyed and most probably, a permanently crippled Ukraine.
 
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Abominable

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Overbom said:
Why? I always considered from the beginning that the minimum acceptable gain for Russia from this war is something similar with what is shown by that map (eastern + southern Ukraine).

Russia can also push Belarus to invade from the north in order for it to get more land (which would weaken Ukraine even more without Russia having to occupy these lands). Basically East + South Ukraine for Russia, North Ukraine for Belarus. This would guarantee a destroyed and most probably, a permanently crippled Ukraine.
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Because with that map the Ukraine would still be a big country with 20+ million people. Historically Russian cities like Kiev (according to Russia) would remain in foreign hands. After the war Ukraine will have billions pumped into it by the EU and the US and it won't be long before it becomes belligerent again.

The only way that map is ok is if the Ukraine that remains has a pro-Russian government like Belarus. But then so much for not wanting to do a US style regime change.
 
Temstar

Temstar

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Time for that diagram again:
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Right now we're very nearly at the Novorossiya outcome, just missing a bit of Donetsk Oblast and Zaporizhzhia Oblast, but with bonus land gain in Kharkiv Oblast. Landlocked was my original estimate for a maximum goal for the campaign. Note both Landlocked and Split in Half calls for gaining both Nikolaev and Odessa. Given the recent withdraw from Snake Island I'm thinking Kharkiv will be in the crosshair soon, maybe after all of Donetsk Oblast is taken.

Belarus involvement would take this further than even Split in Half. I thus don't think it will happen until at the minimum the Split in Half outcome looks to be certain and Ukrainian forces are no longer capable of putting up much organized defense. When that happens Lukashenko will probably sweep in to take some land and say "look, I'm helping!" and cover himself in glory and all that.
 
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Weaasel

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Temstar said:
Time for that diagram again:
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Right now we're very nearly at the Novorossiya outcome, just missing a bit of Donetsk Oblast and Zaporizhzhia Oblast, but with bonus land gain in Kharkiv Oblast. Landlocked was my original estimate for a maximum goal for the campaign. Note both Landlocked and Split in Half calls for gaining both Nikolaev and Odessa. Given the recent withdraw from Snake Island I'm thinking Kharkiv will be in the crosshair soon, maybe after all of Donetsk Oblast is taken.

Belarus involvement would take this further than even Split in Half. I thus don't think it will happen until at the minimum the Split in Half outcome looks to be certain and Ukrainian forces are no longer capable of putting up much organized defense. When that happens Lukashenko will probably sweep in to take some land and say "look, I'm helping!" and cover himself in glory and all that.
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Russia looks like it will settle for that/your so called "Pyrrhic" Victory.
 
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Hinex

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⚡️Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (July 2, 2022)

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

◽️The enemy suffers considerable losses on all fronts.

◽️3 battalions from 10th Mountain Assault and 72nd Mechanised brigades have lost over 50% of personnel near Verkhnekamenka and Zolotaryovka just in the past 24 hours.

Russian Aerospace Forces have launched a high-precision attack at provisional base of 1st Battalion from 30th Mechanised Brigade deployed near Artyomovsk. The attack has resulted in the elimination of up to 120 Ukrainian servicemen and about 15 units of military equipment.

◽️In addition, Russian aviation has neutralised a provisional armament and military equipment storage base of 10th Mountain Assault Brigade deployed at the territory of a tractor plant in Kharkov. The attack has resulted in the elimination of up to 30 servicemen and 10 units of armoured and motor vehicles.

Russian Federation Armed Forces continue launching attacks at military facilities located in Ukraine.

High-precision attacks launched by Russian Aerospace Forces have resulted in the elimination of 5 command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) near Artyomovsk and Chasov Yar (Donetsk People's Republic), Pervomayskoye, Zelyony Gay and Barmashovo (Nikolayev region), 3 munitions depots near Shevchenkovo and Novogrigorovka (Zaporozhye region), as well as AFU manpower and military equipment in 32 areas.

Within the counter-battery warfare, high-precision attacks launched by Russian Aerospace Forces have resulted in the neutralisation of 4 MRLS plattoons near Novoluganskoye, Zhelannoye, Berdychi and Vozdvizhenka from where the AFU had been shelling the settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic.

✈️Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised: 39 AFU command posts, 2 munitions depots near Nikolayev, as well as manpower and military equipment in 302 areas.

◽️Russian air defence means have shot down 1 MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force near Yavkino (Nikolayev region).

19 Ukrainian UAVs have been shot down near Voskresenovka, Glinskoye, Pitomnik, Zhovtnevoye, Rubezhnoye, Petrovka (Kharkov region), Rabotino, Novodanilovka (Zaporozhye region), Petrovskoye, Popasnaya, Kremennaya (Lugansk People's Republic), Snezhnoye, Vysokoye, Yasinovataya, Donetsk, Makeyevka, Dokuchayevsk, Komsomolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

◽️4 MRLS projectiles have been intercepted near Yasinovataya, Mineralnoye (Donetsk People's Republic) and Chernobayevka (Kherson region).

In total, 227 airplanes and 134 helicopters, 1,430 unmanned aerial vehicles, 353 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,886 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 702 combat vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 3,073 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 3,954 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

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Janiz

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This is probably the first documented case of Bonus ammunition used by Ukrainians. The victim here is Pantsir-S1. Deadly weapon and really scary as it doesn't miss the target. Most likely delivered by the French Army.

 
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