The War in the Ukraine


manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Ukraine is making steady gains on the Kherson front.

That's not "steady gains;" that's the definition of taking small, unimportant and most likely unguarded territory to claim a flitting media victory when they know Russians can take it back at any time they cared to.
If Russia is forced to withdraw from Kherson it would be a huge humiliation for them, and they lose control of the mouth of the Dneiper river.
LOLOLOL "If"
 

MortyandRick

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Ukraine is making steady gains on the Kherson front.


If Russia is forced to withdraw from Kherson it would be a huge humiliation for them, and they lose control of the mouth of the Dneiper river.
Lol the replies to this Twitter post is pretty funny. Half the posters could not find the village on a map and the other half didn’t know it exists. then someone mentioned that the ISW already this location as under Ukrainian control some time ago.
 

Abominable

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Ukraine is making steady gains on the Kherson front.


If Russia is forced to withdraw from Kherson it would be a huge humiliation for them, and they lose control of the mouth of the Dneiper river.
Potimkino? As in Potemkin village? That has to be a prank....hillarious if ISW fell for it.

Speaking of ISW:
If the city is controlled by Russia, how is this fake news? Surely the Russians are able to stop electronic payments in a different currency if they wanted to. Unless I'm missing something?
 

Bob Smith

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plawolf

Brigadier
If the Ukraine has artillery with long enough range to reach the Island, then holding it becomes untenable.
By the same token, if the Ukraine tries to put personnel and equipment on the Island, they will simply suffer the same fate as previous attempts have done.
It means that now the Island is a real No-mans land.

I can see only one reason why the Russians would want to occupy and put Air Defenses on the Island and that would be to give enhanced cover for an Amphibious landing to the nearby coastal area of Southern Odessa Oblast.
The fact that they have withdrawn suggests to me that it means no such operation is in the offing for the foreseeable.
Now I have to run away and hide before @SAC reads this.......
I don’t know about that, the Russians would need to be pretty ballsy to put Buks, never mind S300s or even S400 on such a tiny island so close to the coast. Anything smaller and what’s the point?

Same thing with the nonsense claim about Russia needing it to blockade Odessa ports. For one the ports are mine to hell and back, so why the need to blockade? Secondly, if the Russians need to put AShMs on Snake island to blockade Odessa, then they cannot blockade Odessa at all and are better off laying their own minefields if that’s the intent.

I think the real importance of snake island is less to do with physical missiles based there, but more to do with EW and the intel gathering aspect of things.

It’s an open secret that NATO special forces are operating in Ukraine, as well as the more overt stuff like AWACS support and weapons shipments.

No matter if it’s passive signals gathering or active jamming, the closer you can get EW assets to the target, the more effective they are going to be.

The initial deployment of a Tor would also make more sense if it was just there to provide point defence for high value intel gathering assets. That would also make the repeated Ukrainian high cost attacks against Snake island a lot more justifiable.

But I think all the heat put on snake island has made that mission less appealing to Russia both due to NATO assets actively avoiding the area, and due to all the Ukrainian pot shots taken against the island. Especially given the fact Odessa is a quiet theatre right now.

I expect the Russians would renew their deployments to snake island once the war moves to Odessa. But until then, it’s probably not worth their while to tie down so many assets to protect a listening post that isn’t hearing much right now.
 

Hinex

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⚡️ Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation in Ukraine (July 1, 2022)

▫️ The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue successful offensive near Lisichansk. Over the past three days, Russian units have taken under control the Lisichansk oil refinery, the Matrosskaya coal mine, the Gelatine plant and the settlement of Topolevka. The allied forces have reached Lisichansk.

▪️ Ukrainian army is suffering big losses in this area. Only in Verkhnekamenka, over the past 24 hours, the enemy has lost more than 120 persons dead, as well as 70 in Verkhnekamenskoye.

▫️ The failures of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) at the combat area provoke an increase of the number of cases of desertion and evading to be involved in operations. There is an unorganised withdrawal of certain AFU units from Lisichansk.

▪️ The command conceals the facts of understaffing of units in every way possible. One of the battalions of 17th Tank Brigade that operates near Novaya Poltavka (Donetsk People's Republic) is left with less than 20% of personnel from the authorised strength.

▫️ At the same time, the Kiev regime has found the 'culprits' for military failures of the AFU at another pocket in Donbass. The second unit of the State Investigative Bureau of Ukraine in Kramatorsk has initiated criminal proceedings against the commanders and 171 servicemen of 42nd Battalion from 57th Mechanised Infantry Brigade that had been defending in Gorskoye.

▪️ These servicemen were detained and taken to the temporary detention facility in Kramatorsk.

❗️ Russian Federation Armed Forces continue launching attacks at military facilities located in Ukraine.

High-precision attacks launched by Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed 2 command posts, 5 munitions depots near Ivano-Daryevka, Seversk (Donetsk People's Republic), Belogorovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolayev, Lepetikha (Nikolayev region), as well as AFU manpower and military equipment in 26 areas.

Within the counter-battery warfare, high-precision attacks launched by Russian Aerospace Forces have neutralised 2 MRLS plattoons and 2 artillery plattoons near Lesovka, Selidovo and Netaylovo that had been shelling the settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic.

✈️ Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery have neutralised: 32 AFU command posts, 1 radar designed for detecting air targets near Katranka (Odessa region), 3 munitions depots near Spornoye (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as manpower and military equipment in 297 areas.

▫️ Russian air defence means have shot down 2 Su-25 airplanes of Ukrainian Air Force near Barvenkov and Kurulka (Kharkov region).

In addition, 11 Ukrainian UAVs have been shot down near Petrovenki, Berestovoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Brazhkovka, Velikiye Khutora, Staroverovka, Vesyoloye, Bayrak, Getmanovka, Ivanchukovka, Petemoga (Kharkov region), Peremozhnaya (Zaporozhye region).

▫️ 8 MRLS projectiles have been intercepted near Nikolskoye (Kharkov region), Stakhanov (Lugansk People's Republic) and Pervomaysk (Donetsk People's Republic).

In total, 226 airplanes and 134 helicopters, 1,411 unmanned aerial vehicles, 353 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,873 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 699 combat vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 3,067 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 3,948 units of special military equipment have been destroyed during the special military operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine
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FADH1791

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People saying Russia should not take Odessa couldn’t be more wrong. Taking Odessa makes so much sense in all areas

1. If your goal is de-nazification why would leave a large neo nazi battalion standing in a major city where the populace see themselves more Russian than Ukrainian? Kiev sent neo nazi battalions to the areas of east and south Ukraine to snuff any attempt of a “Russian spring.”

2. If the goal is to make sure Ukraine never becomes a threat to Russia what better way to take Odessa and turn the already impoverished Ukraine into a landlocked failed state which will be a major headache for the EU. Ukraine will never economically recover from that lost and will be a basket case. It’s funny that the EU is pushing to give them membership. Because once everything is said and done they’ll have a memeber whose economy collapsed and awashed with with some many modern western arms. Will the EU bailout this Ukraine when the EU debt crisis with Spain and Italy still hasn’t been resolved?

3. Taking Odessa kicks NATO out of the Black Sea. And Russia gains the Black Sea and a major port to build ships. And it increase the Russia’s share of the global grain market.

4. Odessa has historical, cultural and lingual ties with Russia. It just makes sense. And also this unified Transnitria with Russia.

It just make sense for Odessa to be taken. Also the Western powers are pushing Kiev to not negotiate and fight. If that’s the case the more Kiev fights the more land they lost. Odessa will likely be taken last.
 

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