The Europeans and the USA love to escalate like this but given that Russia still has options of how to escalate and how this attack has occurred, all I see is the further unraveling of how far Russia is willing to go to bring down this threat. Pushing Russia down to a path where they may target western leaders and such isn’t going to go well for the west given that restraint is all that protects the west from suffering any real consequences, do they even care about where this will lead
The War in the Ukraine
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It is an ongion thing since the 17th century.
In the past 4 years we saw countless example, but the Chechen war was similar excercise.
Target is to destroy the credibility/foundations of the Russian goverment, regardless of its composition, form or anything else.
standard imperial warfare method, the Roman empire followed similar stratedy with Carthago as well.
This time they tried to do this by assassination attempt, but they did it by creating internal revolt (prigozhin,Navalni,Jelcin,Lenin), or by creating incompetent / bad image of the Russian goverment ,or direct military conflict, or economical destabilisation.
But in the recent history they did it with Argentina, Imperial Japan, Austro-Hungary and so on .
If anyone checking the propaganda of the british empire regards of its colonies ,the natives and so on then the current methods and strategies the same that they followed in India.
From an unbiased standpoint, it is a claim, not a truth nor a lie. Once more evidence appears, then it is discussion-worthy. Both sides are attempting to position themselves as peacemakers, so we have to be vigiliant about falling for narratives.
It is coming from official Russian sources.
If it is coming from EU or USA sources I should understand the scepticism, but up to this date the Russian sources ben trusted and failed only in error, not on purpose.
Russians haven't got reason to make up things like this. The neocon/oligarch cartel in the west has a strong reason for it.
I didn't see any confirmation. That said, I do believe Russia will escalate it's missile attacks in response.
Military response is to be expected but it isn’t the only thing. The Russians are going to harden their negotiation stance.
Why it needs confirmation ?
Ukraine done countless assasination, as USA, UK,france and so on.
Targeted assassinations accepted method in the USA/NATO/_Ukraine alliance.
Its happened only two weeks ago .
This telegraph article is a simple lie, there is no peace talk between the USA and Russia.
There are motions from the USA/NATO/Ukraine that resembles peace talks, but there is no involvment in this process from russian side.
What is the point questioning the attack ?
Ukraine done countless assasination, as USA, UK,france and so on.
Targeted assassinations accepted method in the USA/NATO/_Ukraine alliance.
Its happened only two weeks ago .
This telegraph article is a simple lie, there is no peace talk between the USA and Russia.
There are motions from the USA/NATO/Ukraine that resembles peace talks, but there is no involvment in this process from russian side.
What is the point questioning the attack ?
It doesn’t help Ukraine position that 2-3 days before the supposed drone attack that Zelensky in a public statement was talking about the death of Putin.
False equivalence in the case of Ukraine given how generals are MILITARY. I question this attack given how Ukraine and Russia are both attempting to position themselves as peacemakers who simulataneously accusing each other of bad faith. Killing the other side's civilian leadership in the middle of a war is plain asinine. Even ancient and medieval kingdoms and empires had some sort of diplomacy.
Yup, Zelensky does have a track record of being quite emotional. This jab definitely didn't work in his favor.
Western MSM spinning this "peacemaker " thingy.
Russia follow the same scrpit since 2021. Open to negotations, but core demands are not negotiable, and coming from 0 trust standpoint.
If we accept the next two points as fact :
1. Ukraine is part of the "west" , and all western inteligence agancy/military/oligarchy are in neck deep in that country.
2. The West prefered strategy is to create internal instability, and for this purpose they using decapitating strikes against foreign goverments, killing diplomats or executing actions that could be defined as "terrorism" if happens in say USA or WE. Like killing of Solemni, killing the Hamas delegation, pager explosions, targeting the Iranian political leadership, killing Gadhafi and so on .
again, this moment is special NOT beacuse any peace kabuki, but because the west run out of money, weapons and options generally.