The War in the Ukraine

The talk now is about the US releasing JASSM against Russia.

It's not difficult to conclude, since Putin just complains in videos with what are seen as empty threats while the West continues to escalate with nothing to fear, unfortunately.

They are not empty threats when you have the means to act on them. That is what the morons in government in the West seem to forget. What we saw there in Dnipro, Ukraine was a single missile with 36 submunitions. Nothing in the Cold War had either that many submunitions, or the kind of accuracy that strike showed. If each of those submunitions could be nuclear, the Russians could lay waste to the entire Central and Western Europe with a fraction of the missiles that would be necessary back in the Cold War. For example the RDS-10 Pioneer had only three warheads with 450 m CEP. Once production is ramped up they can also disable a country or two in Europe with just conventional strikes.

gelgoog said:

They are not empty threats when you have the means to act on them. That is what the morons in government in the West seem to forget. What we saw there in Dnipro, Ukraine was a single missile with 36 submunitions. Nothing in the Cold War had either that many submunitions, or the kind of accuracy that strike showed. If each of those submunitions could be nuclear, the Russians could lay waste to the entire Central and Western Europe with a fraction of the missiles that would be necessary back in the Cold War. Once production is ramped up they can also disable a country or two in Europe with just conventional strikes.

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Yes they are empty or atleast thats what Putin's response suggests

They destroyed radars that should have triggered Nuclear strike but it didn't (previous doctrine)

Now they are firing ATACMS and SS in huge numbers into the Russian territory which again warrants a nuclear strike (new doctrine), But he won't

The least he could to maintain some credibility of "doctrine" is to test a nuke in Black Sea or Atlantic, Again unlikely

It is really dumb to confuse restraint with lack of ability to strike back.
Like the proverb says, you should fear the anger of a gentle man.
While he is willing to compromise, it is a bad idea to get on Putin's worst side. As the Chechens already found out, and now the Ukrainians are in the process of finding out.
The Russians would not have gone into Ukraine without being prepared for all contingencies. And this time they will start preparing not for a conflict in Ukraine but for a full blown conflict against NATO. This missile proves it. It is not necessary to win in Ukraine.

Do you think they need the Hazel Grove IRBM or the Kh-BD in the Tu-160 to fight Ukraine?

As long as Russia does not retaliate against Western provocations and aggressions, Putin's complaints will logically be understood only as empty threats and bluffs.

And dumb is synonymous with today's Western governments. Dumb and arrogant.

gelgoog said:

confuse restraint with lack of ability to strike back.

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So this mean that doctrine thing is just a farce not to be taken seriously

Ironhide said:

So this mean that doctrine thing is just a farce not to be taken seriously

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Not really. What the change in doctrine modified is that while previously Russia stated it could use a nuclear strike as a counter to either a nuclear strike, or a conventional attack that could impact the viability of the Russian state, now this can also be done, in case of such attacks being done by third parties, like Ukraine, which are being provided with the weapons to do this by other states. Against the states sponsoring them. This provides the rationale for striking countries like the US, UK, or France if they continue providing long distance strike weapons to Ukraine which impact the viability of the Russian state or its nuclear deterrent.

Thus far the Ukrainian strikes into Russian territory have been mostly targeted against military facilities so you should expect much the same to happen. For example Russia could strike the UK's air base in Cyprus.

quim said:

The talk now is about the US releasing JASSM against Russia.

It's not difficult to conclude, since Putin just complains in videos with what are seen as empty threats while the West continues to escalate with nothing to fear, unfortunately.

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That hilarious western cope. Yeah they "escalate" to make a big show at home when really these supports should have been provided to Ukraine at the start, and do not make a difference on the outcome.

Russia is walking out of the conflict a whole Ukraine's worth of land wealthier, and already have a third of it cashed. What does the west walk out of the conflict with?

If the west is about to do something that can change the balance on the ground in Ukraine, then there may be direct war. If all of NATO goes in, it means not just Russia will go to fight, it will be a huge ww3. With the EU in shambles and US stagnating, it only favors Russia to wait longer before the ww3 moment.

S400 taken out in ATACM attack in Kursk

-First confirmed successful ATACMS strike on Russian soil. S-400 air defence system radar and two launchers were destroyed in the Kursk region of Russia on 23.11.2024: «On November 23, 2024, a missile strike was carried out on the S-400 air defense system in the village of Bolshoe Zhirovo, Kursk Region. The strike was carried out by three ATACMS ballistic missiles. The air defense system was in a non-combat state. Repair work was underway. As a result of the strike, a 92N6E radar station and two launchers were destroyed. Five officers of the division were killed (including the commander and chief of staff), and three employees of Almaz-Antey JSC were also fatally wounded. The deceased officers: • Maxim Nikolaevich Solodovnikov, major; • Sergey Vladimirovich Zavorin, captain; • Nikita Nikolaevich Pechenkin, senior lieutenant; • Yusup Adamovich Kodzoev, senior lieutenant; • Aleksey Maksimovich Podlipalov, lieutenant.”

Russians have taken Beretski, south of Kurakhovo. Soon, Romanovka plus another settlement.


The Russian 5th Brigade has broken to the center of Kurakhovo.


Another new batch of Su-34 bombers were received by the Russian Air Force.


Russians reached to the place where a Ukrainian 2S7 Pion SPG was destroyed by a Lancet. South of Kurakhovo.


The battle for Velikaya Novoselka is on.


Russian air and missile strikes take out two Ukrainian bridges in southern Donetsk. Cone using an X-38ML and another with FABs.


Prince Vandal drone strikes a Ukrainian tank.


Catastrophic destruction of an M2 Bradley, probably transporting a load of ammunition.


BMD-4M featuring additional protection seen headed to the front.


M74 cluster munitions from ATACMS explode near a Russian driver, who survived and captured the footage.


Captured Bradley now operating with the Russian 30th Brigade. The Bradley already showing added Russian modifications.


Ukrainian Plastun EW system taken out by Lancet.


A Russian missile arrived in Odessa.


LMUR missile strike from a Mi-28NM.


Baba Yaga shot down with small arms and night vision.


Ukrainian armored vehicle struck in the forests of the Kharkhiv region.


Russian Akasya 152mm SPG takes out a Ukrainian mortar site.


Su-34 and FAB strikes at a Ukrainian force concentration in the Kursk region.


Destruction of Ukrainian vehicles by the Rubicon Testing Center of the Russian MoD, the Rubicon which for all purposes is an active special forces unit.


TOS-1A working on Ukrainian fortifications in the South Donetsk direction.


Russian FPV drone converted for reconnaissance missions.


ATGM from 16th SPN Brigade takes out a Ukrainian ammunition storage site. Thermobaric Kornet-M ATGMs have a range of 10km making them useful for longer ranged strikes.


Captured Western weapons from strongholds near Velikaya Novoselka.


Lancet takes out a Leopard tank in the Group Vostok area of responsibility by the 14th SPN and 200th Arty Brigades.


FAB arrivals observed by an Orlan UAV of Group Vostok.