The War in the Ukraine

Corona

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New gifts for Russia :

Rental call of the duty warriors are not having a picnic they were promised :
Fighting continues in the Kharkiv direction.The Russian Armed Forces continue to destroy Nazi troops. The footage shows the objective control of the Krasnopol strike on the house from which the Nazi firing point was organized.

An other SU25 surviving a manpad :

Ukraine is winning :
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taxiya

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Both HistoryLegends and Shilao made the same comment yesterday that there is no big offensive coming. Everyone thought Ukraine would be arming and training a few brigades with all western stuff at the Polish border, then once they are ready send them to the front in one go as a big fist to make an impact. However we are observing that Kiev is actually sending all the gear they are receiving piecemeal to Donbas and to their counterattacks as soon as they are available. Thus there is not appreciable buildup in Western Ukraine.

Xi Yazhou disparaged this behavior in gaming terms calling it "送菜" or "feeding".
Didn't he say "送人头"/"offering heads"? :D
 

sheogorath

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Where I am from, this was usually called "theft". It is one thing to confiscate equipment for your own war effort in case of emergency, as it happened multiple times through history, a different thing is to grab equipment meant for somebody and send it to somebody else.

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Abominable

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Okay, lets address your points one at a time.

"This war is do or die for Russia, do you think that if they face certain defeat in Ukraine unless they mobilize, that they would fail to do so?"

Russia can't mobilize unless it declares a war. This carries huge risk as it will remove the option of de-escalation. Russia may feel like victory can not be guaranteed by conventional means, however legally declaring war removes the flexibility of an "off-ramp". Russia may want to cash in gains and try again later, without the instability national mobilization would bring. As it stands now though, Ukraine has a head start.
Declaring a war is purely a Russian domestic matter. Every other country in the world considers this to be a war, especially the west.

As far as I understand, declaring war gives Russia the option to draft conscripts. I've seen no evidence that Russia needs to do that, so I agree Russia shouldn't "declare war". Linking it to losing the option of deescalation however is absurd.
"By keeping the tempo of the war at this pace, the Russians can last indefinitely. "

No they can not. Russia's loses are not sustainable over the longer period and we have already seen them dipping into reserve hardware.
Russia hasn't even fully kickstarted their military industry, or called on allies to provide them with military equipment (directly or clandestinely).

The vast reserves of tanks and military equipment shows that Russia can keep this fight going on for years if need be. Russia can get tanks and other platforms to the frontline quicker than it takes NATO to buy tanks from Congo or train Ukrainians to use NATO weaponry.
Equipment is not Russia's problem though, it's manpower. Ukraine has plenty of manpower but lacks equipment.

"While they have a lot of people, there were continuing news that they were grabbing people off the streets and push them to the front with very minimal training and limited hardware."

Ukraine has been doing this since day one.
Which country is going to have a manpower problem, the one with 140 million or the one with 30 million? Not to mention the millions of refugees that have already fled. Ukraine will run out of people to fight far before Russia will.

The idea that Russia is pulling random people off the streets to go and fight in the Ukraine is another western delusion. It is exactly what the Ukraine is doing right now, as evidenced by multiple videos.
Queue for fuel? Get drafted!
 

gelgoog

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However, as with their ground forces ‘modernisation’, I think another significant problem is that they also tried to do their Air Force modernisation on the cheap.

They got modern targeting computers on their newer fighters and realised they could do Gulf War I standard ‘precision’ bombing with dumb bombs, so they didn’t really bother to purchase much in the way of PGMs and target pods that they offered for export.

That may be the case when you are bombing Xs in fields that don’t shoot back, but doing so in real life put your delivery aircraft at significant risk from enemy air defences, especially when it looks like they also didn’t invest in the kinds of SEAD and DEAD capabilities that the US had back in 90/91, which was the basis on which they were able to mount the air campaign.

That’s why we had so many high end Flankers shot down (needlessly) early in the war, and probably why the VKS has been conspicuously absent from the war ever since, apart from low level Su25 attacks.
No. That is totally wrong. The Su-34 has better capabilities to do SEAD or DEAD missions than what the US had in the first Gulf War.
The Su-34 comes with the Khibiny ECM system and can fire the Kh-31 anti-radiation missile.
You just cannot compare neither the quality nor the number of Ukrainian SAM systems with the ones Iraq had back then. Ukraine has what was basically the best air defense system the Soviets had in the late Cold War period, the S-300, plus the Buk, and several other systems. They also have SAMs in quantities no NATO country, not even the US, can compete with.
 
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