The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Iraq did not have the benefit of having the whole of Europe and the US sending them backup transformers. In fact they were sanctioned for most of the time. And Iraq had a much older and more obsolete air defense network which had been integrated in fixed points by Europeans who sold them out to the US. The US basically knew where every command post and bunker was.

Russia could have collapsed Ukraine's grid much sooner, they simply chose not to, because of the commands of their commander in chief when the conflict started to cause minimum disturbance to civilians.

It is also a matter of doctrine, since Russia does not use their air force in the same way the US does. They never did. Their air force is mostly expected to be used to provide air cover and CAS for their army, not go into perilous adventures deep into enemy territory.
And also Iraq would never become the US after the war... Russia probably prefer that the war is static until they can roll on the rest without destroying everything. The US just wanted the oil and puppet government in a devasted Iraq, nothing more and even then it didn't work like intended.

Right now it's static attrition warfare on a wasteland front in Ukraine. It's the meeting points for devastation and grinding.
 

sheogorath

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A lot of Russia's issues are by their own hand, though, steeming from their initial choice of seeing this more like a "civil war" of sorts and the perception that the Ukranian government would fold relatively quickly.

This led to a cascade of equally flawed decisions, from trying to preserve as much infrastructure as possible as well as limiting attacks on the West of Ukraine and so on. Decisions whose effects are hard to reverse now.
 

Serb

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Russia already destroyed Ukraine's military a long time ago, they are now fighting against the Western military in terms of equipment, intelligence, command, and training, entirely and in terms of personnel, partially.

No amount of infrastructure destruction could've changed that. The moment the West involved themselves 100%, in spite of their economies, and military reserves, it was over for Russia, and at best, they could only hold the current stalemate.
 
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Tam

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Two Ukrainian soldiers newly captured or surrendered. Standard search procedure as they casually talked to each other and the captor gives him a cigarette.


Russian tank blasts a Ukrainian stronghold at close range. This takes place at Marinka which you can see is now a thoroughly destroyed place.


Fresh Ukrainian BM-21 Grad got hit by Russian artillery before it can fire it's load. It went up in a spectacular explosion as the rockets cooked off.

 

typexx

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Armored groups of airborne troops with BMD and T-80 tanks fighting the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the front near Kremennaya
atgm destroyed a long-range firing point of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of avdeevsky.
 

Deino

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Interesting video as I have not seen that intensity of precision firepower being directed at a single location before.

Would very interesting to see where and when this was to maybe get an idea of what was so important to warrant so many cruise missiles.

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It's an old video from March 2022 ... so much for the polemic question on what is the Ukrainian AD doing or not doing from the original poster.

 

Zichan

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Russia could have collapsed Ukraine's grid much sooner, they simply chose not to, because of the commands of their commander in chief when the conflict started to cause minimum disturbance to civilians. When the order came to attack the secondary transformers Ukraine's grid collapsed quite quickly. The fact is Russia could do even more damage to Ukraine's grid if they wanted to, they never hit the main transformers in the grid thus far, the only reason they have not done that is to prevent Ukraine's nuclear reactors from going into meltdown from lack of power.
Ukraine’s grid did not collapse. The only one’s feeling the effects of the reduction in capacity are civilians. For the military to be impacted, Russia would need to destroy close to 100% of the grid, like the US did in Iraq. Even in the short campaign against Yugoslavia, the US led NATO force took out a greater share of the generating capacity than Russia did to Ukraine and did it in a focused 3 day span:
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Three consecutive nights of air attacks caused extensive blackouts in Belgrade, Novi Sad, and Nis, the three largest cities in Serbia, Yugoslavia's dominant republic. In contrast with previous attacks on the power supply – in which allied warplanes triggered temporary outages by dropping carbon-fiber filaments that shorted out electrical lines – NATO forces this time struck at Serbia's five major power-transmission stations with high-explosive munitions, causing damage that could take weeks to repair.

Officials at the Pentagon and at NATO headquarters in Belgium said allied jets deliberately attacked the power grid, aiming to shut it down more completely and for longer periods than at any time previously in the two-month-old air campaign. U.S. officials estimated the attacks had shut off power to about 80 percent of Serbia."

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It is also a matter of doctrine, since Russia does not use their air force in the same way the US does. They never did. Their air force is mostly expected to be used to provide air cover and CAS for their army, not go into perilous adventures deep into enemy territory. Russia has their experience during WW2 as a formative event where they were on the back foot in terms of air power most of the time. What few deep strikes with strategic bombers they made in WW2 were basically a disaster despite heavy investment into strategic bombers in the 1930s.
That’s pretty much the point: Russia only has itself to blame for having invested in an airforce that plays a marginal role in the war.

And even the much lauded Western allied strategic bombing campaigns of WW2 were considered to be a failure for the most part when they were analyzed in the post WW2 era. Just try reading about Freeman Dyson someday.

US bombers dropped 43kt of conventional bombs in July 1945 and were ramping up to drop a staggering 115kt a month by September with the planned arrival of the 8th Air Force on Okinawa. After the war, USSBS concluded that conventional strategic bombing alone would have shattered Japan’s will to fight:
“Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
 
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typexx

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In the video, Soviet hero Alexander Viktorovich Maltsev, born on April 26, 1975, He was invited to mobilize on 10/14/22 and ended up at 20 OA, 144 MRD, 488 MSP. Alexander became a fighter in a detachment attack of 488 MSP.

On March 10, he managed to capture the enemy trench on his own, destroying three soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and capturing two. but the warrior saved those who raised their hands.
Unfortunately, during the constant fighting, on March 13, private Maltsev died . The documents are now being prepared for submission to soldier Maltsev A.V. The title of hero of Russia is posthumously awarded. Svatovo-Kremennaya front
 

Tam

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Kremennaya has become another meat grinder. In contrast to Bakhmut, more high tech weapons are involved in this area. This is another classic case of drone spotting an assault followed by invitable artillery spam. Not enough artillery? Not enough ISR? One can argue instead that both sides have too much of both and that leads to a stalemate situation, unless one side wins the counter battery war.


More Russian advances day by day.

 
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