Any clips of Abrams taking ATGM hits on the frontal arc/angles?
I don't think there is any tank present without APS right now that'll eat a rear hit.
The War in the Ukraine
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I don't think there is any tank present without APS right now that'll eat a rear hit.
Incorrect as it's combat record will testify to.
The amunition and propellant are kept seperately in water filled compartments. It also uses propellant that smolders slowly and wont flash the entire crew.
This photo was taken after an onboard explosion during training. 1 crew killed, the rest survived.
plawolf
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Thats because the strategy has changed from taking ground to attrition the AFU.
The previous strategy resulted in quicker map progress where they managed to capture territory fairly quickly, but also allowed the AFU to retain the lion share of their troops and equipment from abandoned positions.
As the Russians learnt to their cost, that just meant they faced more defenders at the next objective and also allowed the AFU to accumulate sufficient reserves of man and material to launch their own offensives. And the Russians belatedly realised that with their own manpower deficiencies but (inaccurate) firepower dominance, attacking fixed positions works out far better for them than defending, especially against mass tactical spam Zerg rushes across open territory where the AFU can just rush through their fire zones without taking crippling losses due to how inaccurate most Russian firepower is.
So now the objective is not to take territory as fast as possible but rather to find choice locations to bait the AFU into pouring as much men and materials into defending as possible while the Russians grind them to meat paste with area bombardment.
The attacks are spearheaded by Wagner penal legions for the Russians, so it’s a very good trade for them as they are trading their own disposable forces with dubious combat effectiveness for some of the best of the AFU.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
You are going to be in for a massive shock if you try to weld tank armour with car manufacturing welders. Tank manufacturing has more in common with shipbuilding than car manufacturing due to the thickness and weights of metals plates and blocks used.
Emptying armouries to supply Ukraine now and restock over the coming decades only works if you don’t plan on getting involved in any other wars in those years and decades, which clearly doesn’t apply to the US as it seems hell bent on starting a hot war with China as soon as possible, only it keeps flip flopping about actually making the call to do so.
They will likely be removed but there are alternative arrays as effective as the DU arrays that were developed for the Australian M1 order and also fitted to Saudi Arabian M1
The Challenger 2 no longer has wet racks, while the Challenger 1 did. As for its combat record, it includes an ammo cook-off after being hit by another Challenger which is a combat situation unlike your training accident
I am sorry, but these guys are serious about bloating with the Abrams turret racks as the ultimate and extreme advantage of the tank ?
The turet of the Abrams huge and tall.
Has three times higher chance to hit the turet compared to the T-72, but the later has way better survavibility than the Abrams.
The Soviet tank has the ammo low to the ground, means the enemy has to be in upper position OR the tank need to be in clear, full silhouette to get a hit in the armor rack from side/back.
Now, in the case of Abrams it will will get a hit in the ammo from 200-220 degree angle in any position, and a hit to the ammo will means instant mission kill in good case, in bad case the tank will stand without weapon in the middle of frontline.
Not a huge issue if your enemy using RPGs and pickups, but agains a peer enemy what will happens ? a T-72 just drive to the M1 and hit it from 2 meters ,as many times as she wish.
Means if a T-72 get a hit from the side of the turet it has a good chance to survive, the Abrams most likelly will be left with a single shoot in the main gun, afterwards the other tank can do whatever wish with it.
The turet of the Abrams huge and tall.
Has three times higher chance to hit the turet compared to the T-72, but the later has way better survavibility than the Abrams.
The Soviet tank has the ammo low to the ground, means the enemy has to be in upper position OR the tank need to be in clear, full silhouette to get a hit in the armor rack from side/back.
Now, in the case of Abrams it will will get a hit in the ammo from 200-220 degree angle in any position, and a hit to the ammo will means instant mission kill in good case, in bad case the tank will stand without weapon in the middle of frontline.
Not a huge issue if your enemy using RPGs and pickups, but agains a peer enemy what will happens ? a T-72 just drive to the M1 and hit it from 2 meters ,as many times as she wish.
Means if a T-72 get a hit from the side of the turet it has a good chance to survive, the Abrams most likelly will be left with a single shoot in the main gun, afterwards the other tank can do whatever wish with it.
There are not many pictures of Abrams fighting high tech enemies. Most disabled ones were by ISIS using RPGs or frontal hit with old atgms which will not produce as spectacular results. Leopard 2 at least faced Syrian government equipped paramilitaries with Kornet and HJ-8.
You can't find a single picture of a Type 99A with its turret blown off, doesn't mean a hit from Hellfire on its ass wouldn't cause that.
Besides, what tank is it that you're clamoring for Ukraine to get anyways? Wasn't it... Leopard 2?
Nevertheless:
Not that you'll have to wait long for more pics lol
There's no such thing.
Showing a photo with no context is meaningless. It's like showing a video of a Javelin hitting a T-72 and not disabling it and claiming that T-72s are immune to ATGMs.
Not so fast. Abrams aren't exactly on their way to Ukraine just yet. It appears the announcement was more to trick the Germans than to get M1s on the battlefield ASAP. It's now being reported new build M1s will go to the Ukraine, in "months or years" whatever that translates to.
Disappointing, however does lend even more credence to my thought that the US is trying to oust German MIC from the tank market
Gonna be tough to sell a Leo after the Ukraine. It's a clever plat and if it's what happens it will surely keep the M1 away from the front long enough to clear out whatever stocks are available and pave the way for emergency orders of Abrams heh.
I guess we might as well ditch our 40 or so serviceable Leo's while we're at it
Disappointing, however does lend even more credence to my thought that the US is trying to oust German MIC from the tank market
Gonna be tough to sell a Leo after the Ukraine. It's a clever plat and if it's what happens it will surely keep the M1 away from the front long enough to clear out whatever stocks are available and pave the way for emergency orders of Abrams heh.
I guess we might as well ditch our 40 or so serviceable Leo's while we're at it
Ukrainian troops loaded into an APC. Then artillery explosions all around it, leaving the APC smoking. It looks only three managed to escape from the APC. I might surmise that artillery fragments ripped into the APC.
Ukrainian troops spotted by the DPR by drones entering into this house, being used as a shelter. As expected they let loose the artillery into it.
Another M777 bites the dust thanks to a Lancet. The ammunition appears to have cooked off. The artillery crew was quick to run away.
Ukrainian troops spotted by the DPR by drones entering into this house, being used as a shelter. As expected they let loose the artillery into it.
Another M777 bites the dust thanks to a Lancet. The ammunition appears to have cooked off. The artillery crew was quick to run away.