The Sino-Japanese Naval War of 2012


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solarz

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I think we need to define whether this is a skirmish or a full out naval war.

If it's a skirmish limited to a few destroyers, then Japan has the edge by virtue of training and equipment. Not that I would write off the PLAN either. It would still be a close thing to call.

If it's a full naval war like in 1894, then Japan doesn't have a chance in hell. Logistics and economy will trump training and slightly superior equipment every time. Japan may be only a little smaller than China in terms of its economy, but the vast majority of that economy is technology and service based. Japan simply does not have the local resources to sustain large amounts of losses. China, on the other hand, built its economy on manufacturing. It can replace lost ships and subs far more quickly than Japan.

We've seen this happen in WW2 already. Japan had a formidable navy in WW2 and far more naval experience than the Americans. Yet, none of that mattered when the US produced over 100 carriers (along with their complement of aircraft) in 4 years.

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ChinaGuy

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It can replace lost ships and subs far more quickly than Japan.
You forget China can replace lost men faster than any nation on earth. That fact alone countered the american nukes in the korea war. Now China has nukes and men. What is her enemies to do, huh ? Much easier just to make peace.
 
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Schumacher

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curious he left or largely briefed over the air war part.

first and foremost this would be a contest between J-11/Flankers and F-15J. between F-2 and J-10. between KJ-2000 and E-767
Yup, seems like many somehow think you can only fight navy with navy.
Japan's navy does look stronger than PLAN but PLA will mostly use air power in a war in the East China Sea.
I expect J10 & JH7 to shine in such a war.
 

asif iqbal

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i think people are forgetting that Japanese use very cunning and use splendid military tactics also, and this article make mention of one of them, which is establishing over lapping fields of firepower and the second which is not mentioned is the fine art of deception the Japanese use, which allows them to retain the element of surprise, you think they are going one way but they are infact doing the opposite, this makes them very hard to judge and thus a pre-emptive strike diminishes

Japanese commanders are gifted in setting up ideal defensive positions with has overlapping layered fire, one reason why American death toll was so high in the Pacific Campaign in WWII, and secondly in Guadalcanal, Philippines Sea and so many other battles Japanese naval forces always used a diversion force to lead the Americans away and then outflank to perform a pincer movement, this is deception

even today these 2 form a cornerstone of military doctrine, if China goes to war they need to counter both these tactics otherwise they will face very heavy losses

war is about making less mistakes then ur enemy, and Japanese very rarely make mistakes
 

IronsightSniper

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Forgive me for my naivety, but I highly doubt two of the most economically prosperous nations will go to fists over 7 sq. km of rock that, as far as I know, aren't even populated. You can talk about national sovereignty and history, but at the end of the day, there's really no reason why it can't be settled by angry shouting and calm paper scribbling instead of full blown naval skirmishing.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Forgive me for my naivety, but I highly doubt two of the most economically prosperous nations will go to fists over 7 sq. km of rock that, as far as I know, aren't even populated. You can talk about national sovereignty and history, but at the end of the day, there's really no reason why it can't be settled by angry shouting and calm paper scribbling instead of full blown naval skirmishing.
Agreed, the proposed scenario is quite ludicrous if we take into account reality. However, it's still an interesting thought exercise.
 

solarz

Brigadier
i think people are forgetting that Japanese use very cunning and use splendid military tactics also, and this article make mention of one of them, which is establishing over lapping fields of firepower and the second which is not mentioned is the fine art of deception the Japanese use, which allows them to retain the element of surprise, you think they are going one way but they are infact doing the opposite, this makes them very hard to judge and thus a pre-emptive strike diminishes

Japanese commanders are gifted in setting up ideal defensive positions with has overlapping layered fire, one reason why American death toll was so high in the Pacific Campaign in WWII, and secondly in Guadalcanal, Philippines Sea and so many other battles Japanese naval forces always used a diversion force to lead the Americans away and then outflank to perform a pincer movement, this is deception

even today these 2 form a cornerstone of military doctrine, if China goes to war they need to counter both these tactics otherwise they will face very heavy losses

war is about making less mistakes then ur enemy, and Japanese very rarely make mistakes
You make it sound like Japan wrote "the Art of War".
 

NikeX

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Forgive me for my naivety, but I highly doubt two of the most economically prosperous nations will go to fists over 7 sq. km of rock that, as far as I know, aren't even populated. You can talk about national sovereignty and history, but at the end of the day, there's really no reason why it can't be settled by angry shouting and calm paper scribbling instead of full blown naval skirmishing.
As I wrote in another thread this has all the earmarks of a Falkland 2012 - 2013 type war. A scenario is already underway. Here are some screen shots

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