The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

Deino said:

Me again with a maybe silly question !

Does anyone know why the J-7/MiG-21F-13 was "delivered" to China regardless the Sino-Soviet break in 1960 ... at least the negotiations which must have started in the very early 1960s were surely "influenced" by that relationship-cool-down. So was is an attempt to re-warm them as a political attempt/consideration or what's the reason behind that step ?

Cheers, Deino

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Sino-Soviet rift didn't really become irreparable till the Zhenbao Island incident. During most of the 60s China and the Soviet Union still collaborated on keeping U.S. influence out of South East Asia.

Here's an interesting note from a member at the Key-forum:

edi_right_round said:

Hi.As you know Albania and Tanzania took the first export F-7A.
We had just a squadron.Some of the former pilots that originally were in PRC for type qualification say that planes we had had in internals cyrillic markings so they say that either it was built on soviet kits or they gave us original soviet F-13s

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That's an interesting note, since it would "confirm" a report I was just translating: Following this there were alltogether 39 J-7 (w.o. any additional letter) produced: at least 15 in a first pre-serial prototype-block (maybe built from knock-down kits confused: here I'm quite unsure !??) + 23 more of which 12 were later delivered to Albania.

After this the PLAAF requested several modifications, improvements, of which 6 were choosen to be incorporated into the next block ... finally only 4 modifications were added to the serie and this version is/was called J-7I = J-7A. However all 34 aircraft (block 01-02) were rejected because of quality issues and only from Block 03 on they were delivered to PLAAF units (the 3. Test Regt. at the FTTC and one regiment within the 7. Division. Certification was granted in April 1975, however additional delays, problems until block 06 & 07 manufactured from June 1978 on. Serial production of this version ended 1981 after altogether 188 Maschinen (with 187 ausgeliefert incl.40 as "military aid" to North-Korea).

Deino

franco-russe said:

The MIG-21 first flew in 1956, so there would have been opportunity to acquire licence rights even before relations got tense in 1958.

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Hmm ... as far as I know these negotiations were done in 1960 in cocluded with licence granted in 1961 !

Is CAC Going To Produce An Expensive Version Of J-7's?

yeahhh why not ?

how expensive a J-7 can get?

why would PLAAF bought J-7? unless it is for foreigner client.
and why do you said it is expensive?

This J-7PG is using a turbofan engine, if I am correct.

A.Man said:

This J-7PG is using a turbofan engine, if I am correct.

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Definitely not! All J-7G and her variants (F-7PG, F-7BG, etc) have WP-13F turbojet variants (6000+ kgf). There was talk of them being fitted with WP-14 'Kunlun' (7800 kgf?) turbojets, but not sure what happened to the WP-14.

AFAIK, no turbofans in any J-7 variant.

Yeppp ... and the one shown in the first post on this discussion is simply the J-7PG prototype ! ... nothing more.

Deino