The PLA of 2015

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I have read before that it is likely that the PLA will become a modern and capable military force by around 2015, comparable to western European forces or more modern Asian militaries.

What is your opinion of this, what do you think is a likely time when the PLA reaches a level of development when it can be comparable to other modern military forces.
 
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Player 0 said:
I have read before that it is likely that the PLA will become a modern and capable military force by around 2015, comparable to western European forces or more modern Asian militaries.

I think that is impossible to predict, because any number of things might happen in the next decade. Personally I think that it would take longer for it to reach such levels, especially as we ourselves are always moving further ahead. Certainly I doubt that it will become as advanced as Japan, in terms of its neighbours and the UK - as to less advanced European militaries, I don't know. The problem is that THE WEST is not a monolith with easily comparable militaries. Portugal is a Western European nation, but its armed forces are nothing like ours.
 

Nethappy

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I think for the PLA you shouldn't really compare modern and capable like you do with most western forces.

For example, in western forces it would be the best training, the best equipment in the world, with the best C4ISR for it to be consider a capable force. However, if PLA can achive and maintain a higher standard of training, equipment with not state of the art but fairly modern equipment and a improved C4ISR for the force as a whole. It can already consider a very capable force as it size would speak for itself.
 

Roger604

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Where was the PLA in 1995?

In 1995, it was just beginning to modernize. In many ways, it was equivalent to western late 70's technology. But now, it's about mid-90's.

The PLA closed the gap between it and the west by 20 years in 10!

Where will the PLA be in 2015?

Right now it's mid-90's in western technology. Between 2005 and 2015 it will close the gap with the west by another 20 years -- which means it will be 2015 vs. 2015.

I expect 5th generation stealth fighters regiments, a stealth bomber prototype, nuclear submarines as good as the seawolf, tons of diesel electric subs, at least 3 CVBG's, a global constellation of satellites, unmanned aerial/underwater/ground vehicles.

Simply put.... an appropriate force for a country with an economy the same size as the United States.

(Of course, this all assumes the economy continues to boom at around 9-10%.)
 

Vlad Plasmius

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I expect 5th generation stealth fighters regiments

Assuming J-XX goes the right way.

a stealth bomber prototype,

Perhaps, it would seem logical. They may have an actual stealth bomber in service by then.

nuclear submarines as good as the seawolf

That's a very good possibility given the 093.

tons of diesel electric subs

Definitely.

at least 3 CVBG's

At least one carrier is likely, though, three is a possibility.

a global constellation of satellites

Definitely.

unmanned aerial/underwater/ground vehicles.

Aerial, without a doubt, underwater, possible but not likely, ground, nothing combat-oriented perhaps.
 

SampanViking

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I suspect it will be a bit of a curates egg - Good in Parts.

I guess you will see China acquire technology, at least in some areas, if not all, that will put it up with the big league. The question is whether or not the quantities of kit, produced at that spec, are enough for just a few key divisions or issued as standard to the whole PLA.

I think standard issue would be quite an achievement. Then again you never can tell.
 

netspider

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Roger604 said:
Where was the PLA in 1995?

In 1995, it was just beginning to modernize. In many ways, it was equivalent to western late 70's technology. But now, it's about mid-90's.

The PLA closed the gap between it and the west by 20 years in 10!

Where will the PLA be in 2015?

Right now it's mid-90's in western technology. Between 2005 and 2015 it will close the gap with the west by another 20 years -- which means it will be 2015 vs. 2015.

I expect 5th generation stealth fighters regiments, a stealth bomber prototype, nuclear submarines as good as the seawolf, tons of diesel electric subs, at least 3 CVBG's, a global constellation of satellites, unmanned aerial/underwater/ground vehicles.

Simply put.... an appropriate force for a country with an economy the same size as the United States.

(Of course, this all assumes the economy continues to boom at around 9-10%.)

I would be more than happy to see PLA reach US's current level (2006) by the end of 2015, which means

A stealth fighter regiment, like the US F22 squadron in Langley AFB 2006

A stealth bomber prototype should be acheivable in 10 years frame.

Nuclear submarines as good as seawolf? Too optimistic, I would be happy to see some thing comparable to 688I and close to Seawolf come out by 2015

At least 3 CVBG's, one CVBG likely, three are impossible. Let's assume China
starts to build its first CV now, it will at least take 4 years to finish the construction, then at least another 6 years for training and forming a combat
ready CVBG. That will be already 2015.

a global constellation of satellites, probably. China seems is capably doing it now. In 10 years frame, if China sees the necessity to have them, they can build them.

unmanned aerial vehicles, are you suggesting unmanned combat planes, such as fighters? I don't think China can have this kind of vehicle in 10 years. In 10 years, even US may only achieve something demostratable in this area.
 

MIGleader

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Where was the PLA in 1995?

In 1995, it was just beginning to modernize. In many ways, it was equivalent to western late 70's technology. But now, it's about mid-90's.

The PLA closed the gap between it and the west by 20 years in 10!
they wernt THAT behind in 1995. The they had su-27s, and type 92 APCs. The navy might have been a bit more behind than its counterparts.

I expect 5th generation stealth fighters regiments, a stealth bomber prototype, nuclear submarines as good as the seawolf, tons of diesel electric subs, at least 3 CVBG's, a global constellation of satellites, unmanned aerial/underwater/ground vehicles.
I dont know about a stealth bomber by 2015, but a stealth fighter definitly. Stealth bombers are too expensive to be practical. Military unmanned underwater vehicles are a bit sci-fi, even for the west right now. If china uses Gallileo, it wont have its own global sattelite systme, but it will certianly have one.

Simply put.... an appropriate force for a country with an economy the same size as the United States.
Assuming the redicoulously high gorwth rate of 9-10% a year is maintained, and the u,s does not slump, China wont catch up with the u.s economy until 2040.
 

Twix101

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MIGleader said:
Assuming the redicoulously high gorwth rate of 9-10% a year is maintained, and the u,s does not slump, China wont catch up with the u.s economy until 2040.

Yeah extacly, they will be before the Japan according to specialists of economy.

Please avoid the one-liners Twix101, it is a real issue on this forum - edit by SampanViking
 
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utelore

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I am 100% certain that the PRC will be the 2nd most powerfull military on the planet. I forsee a airforce that will field more than a thousand top of the line aircraft. A navy deploying a fast aggresive fighting force and a Army with more than 4,000 Type96/99 MBT with large formations of Airborne and special forces all of which will have great C&C with total situational awarness in the Asia area of operations.....cheers ute
 
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