The Kashmir conflict 2025.

gaussgun

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It's Bloomberg, but figured I'd check the claims anyways.
  • Myanmar JF-17 grounding: Single source from India
  • Bangladesh Complains: Source is Times of India
  • Pakistan Navy's F-22P's (Type 053 variant): Source is an Indian think-tank.
I also looked into the two writers. Both appear to be fairly young (maybe mid 20s), with one from Taipei and the other from Singapore. Both appear to be in their mid-20s, so probably fresh college grads trying to make a name for themselves in the workforce.
I follow the Myanmar situation, the JF-17 issue is widely reported online by Indian sources BUT the original source was the Irrawaddy, a Thai-based site formed by Burmese exiles. They're NUG aligned so they're biased. Their factual reporting is... mixed.

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Despite them being supposedly being grounded, a JF-17 was shown bombing MNDAA positions in Laukkai.

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However, a Burmese FTC 2000G / JL-9 literally just fell out of the sky, though.

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xyz4321

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Pakistan has too few ground weapons, such as drones, ballistic missiles, and anti-aircraft missiles. If the competition is about continuously throwing weapons at each other from a distance, it is obvious that Pakistan cannot win.
That info has never been revealed, not even slightly. Nobody knows how many of these Pakistan has.

Several years ago India did a test shot on Pak using Brahmos without the explosive warhead. It went through the defense layer and hit some rural area.
Indians said it was testing Pakistani defense. Pakistan said it intercepted the Brahmos and landed it safely in Pakistan for inspection. You can believe either one but handing your weapon to the enemy, totally intact doesn't sound very reasonable.

And as I and many have said already, the best thing for Pakistan to invest in would be the economy. Focus on improving domestic stability, building up a manufacturing base, and wealth creation first before investing more into military. Economic investments will by far yield the greatest dividends in terms of Pakistan's security. Foreign enterprises and factories in Pakistani cities may prove far more effective at warding off Indian missile strikes than AD.
The last time somebody credible tried to value the annual wealth generation of Pakistan Army's milbus, the figure quoted was +$20 billion. That was in 2007. Something most people are unaware of; the military's own revenue streams dwarf the government-allocated budget.

As others have mentioned, traditional ballistic missiles follow high and predictable trajectory, whereas cruise missiles (not even "stealth" cruise missiles, first generation Tomahawks can do this) are maneuvering targets that also fly at very low altitudes to mask their presence from ground based radars by utilizing terrain (especially effective in mountainous terrain, which makes up half of Pakistan). Hence the best way to spot cruise missiles is via aerial radars, and even then most large SAMs struggle to hit targets at lower altitudes.
I read a report years ago, maybe from FAS.org, that since the 90s, many countries including Iran and NK have developed maneuverable ballistic missiles, especially in the terminal phase. The Iran missile strikes on Israel recently showed one example of this - just before hitting the ground, the ballistic missile changed it's trajectory.

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Communal, religious and sectarian violence has begun again in India, with BJP Hindus targeting Muslims. Here, the Indian Army spokesperson (who is Muslim) was targetted by Modi's BJP.
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Seems like frustration of lost battle. Couldn't beat Pakistan, so direct hate inwards on India's own Muslims.
 
I read a report years ago, maybe from FAS.org, that since the 90s, many countries including Iran and NK have developed maneuverable ballistic missiles, especially in the terminal phase. The Iran missile strikes on Israel recently showed one example of this - just before hitting the ground, the ballistic missile changed it's trajectory.
Those are MARVs, or even better HGVs. AFAIK only the PLA has large numbers of these deployed. Don't think there are any operational Western tactical MARVed ballistic missiles or HGVs currently.
 
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shinanhua

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Excuse me, what is the model of HQ16 in Pakistan?
According to the information I found, in 2015, Pakistan introduced about six battalions of LY-80 air defense missiles from China at a price of 350 million US dollars. LY-80 is the export model of HQ-16A.
Has Pakistan purchased the latest model of HQ-16FE?
 

mack8

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Found this showing the estimated ranges of radars of J-10C vs eurocanards, and AAM ranges too. Well, i can certainly buy it, likely J-10C has GaN radar compared to GaA for Rafale, AESA seeker on PL-15 vs planar on Meteor, and i won't be surprised if the Meteor range might be overhyped (i find figures of 100 plus, 150 or 200 km), plus apparently there are some drawbacks of it's ramjet engine. And about all this hoo-hah about how muh Rafale got beaten by the lowly chineses J-10, well the truth is China is a technological and military superpower, while France is a middle power at best. So really it should come at no surprise that the J-10C is overall superior to Rafale.
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AndrewJ

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Comment section are wild. Everyone should have a read. ;)

It's funny how the Jai Hinds had to resort to cherry-pick data. Until know, not even a single Jai Hind could explain why Chengdu AC's share price skyrocketed after May 7th.

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But then, given how much the Jai Hinds absolutely love to lie and deceit, perhaps this is the least bad thing of all the bad things they could've done.

Palki takes it seriously now...

Stocks down when war stops. However, she thought it's more because PL-15 & HQ-9/16 performed badly. "Paki launched multiple PL-15 to India, none of them hit the targets." Well, well. :p

 
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GiantPanda

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Apparently the J-10CE longest shot at Indian jets was 190km:

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Either they were actual PL-15 (not PL-15E) or the PL-15E has a much longer range than estimates (145km.)

Maybe we can shift things upward. The PL-15 is 350-400 km while the PL-15E is 200 to 250km? Can't imagine a hit at the very edge of its envelope so probably 250km?
 
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