The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Tomboy

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This is not emphasized enough. The baseline HQ-9 and HQ-9B seem to be almost two different systems altogether, so much so that NATO has assigned two different reporting names to them: the CH-SA-9 and CH-SA-21, respectively.
Probably explains why HQ-9P failed to intercept most Indian launched ballistic missiles, since we here have previously thought that although HQ-9B isn't a dedicated ABM system it is still capable of performing such a role
 

Neurosmith

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View attachment 151876Pakistan has shot down Indian Rafale over Kotli and Captured Indian female pilot. Confirmed!View attachment 151877
If these photos are authentic, it would only be a matter of time before Pakistan reveals the name of the pilot and - by extension - her squadron, aircraft, mission details, and perhaps the circumstances in which she was shot down.

Of course, whether or not a Rafale was indeed shot down would be definitively and unequivocally proven.
 

Neurosmith

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Probably explains why HQ-9P failed to intercept most Indian launched ballistic missiles, since we here have previously thought that although HQ-9B isn't a dedicated ABM system it is still capable of performing such a role
Hold on; it is one thing to say that Indian BMs were not intercepted by HQ-9Ps and another to claim that the HQ-9Ps failed to hit them. The latter implies that the PAF air defense network is dense enough to employ its valuable HQ-9Ps in this manner and that an attempt was made by an HQ-9P battery to shoot the missiles down. There is no evidence of the latter.

In fact the only buzz of a so-called "HQ-9 failure" are Indian social media claims, not even official claims, the credibility of which is substantially diminished by the complete lack of photo evidence (no, the photo of the damaged lorry that bears no resemblance to an HQ-9 vehicle is not "evidence").
 

sequ

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Hold on; it is one thing to say that Indian BMs were not intercepted by HQ-9Ps and another to claim that the HQ-9Ps failed to hit them. The latter implies that the PAF air defense network is dense enough to employ its valuable HQ-9Ps in this manner and that an attempt was made by an HQ-9P battery to shoot the missiles down. There is no evidence of the latter.

In fact the only buzz of a so-called "HQ-9 failure" are Indian social media claims, not even official claims, the credibility of which is substantially diminished by the complete lack of photo evidence (no, the photo of the damaged lorry that bears no resemblance to an HQ-9 vehicle is not "evidence").
The -9P is for the army, the -9BE for the airforce. Territorial air-defence is done by the airforce.
 

Tomboy

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Hold on; it is one thing to say that Indian BMs were not intercepted by HQ-9Ps and another to claim that the HQ-9Ps failed to hit them. The latter implies that the PAF air defense network is dense enough to employ its valuable HQ-9Ps in this manner and that an attempt was made by an HQ-9P battery to shoot the missiles down. There is no evidence of the latter.

In fact the only buzz of a so-called "HQ-9 failure" are Indian social media claims, not even official claims, the credibility of which is substantially diminished by the complete lack of photo evidence (no, the photo of the damaged lorry that bears no resemblance to an HQ-9 vehicle is not "evidence").
I'm not talking about the "drone strikes" on the command vehicle here, I don't believe a word of that.

But they hit military targets along the border last night, the first wave on May 7th IMO is excusable since they were hitting on civilians and is understandable that their air defense network isn't dense enough to cover every city and non-essential areas. But last night was airfields along the border that was targeted, I don't think it's excusable to say that the HQ-9s aren't deployed there to guard the airfields against enemy strikes especially with Nur Khan airbase being one of those larger airfields in the area. Yet the airfield was still damaged unless it was operator error or they somehow decided not to intercept the missile I do think we have probable cause here to think that their air defense failed to intercept the BMs.
 
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